May 11, 2021

Episode 32 - If Bold Was A Person


Welcome to episode 32 of Nicky and Moose the Podcast. Don’t miss today’s jam-packed episode as your hosts discuss the new Khaled, Jay Z, and Nas drop. Of course, they’re going over what’s up with Will Smith, as well as Nike and the Kobe legacy. You know they couldn’t forget this Gary Vee NFT drop and finally, what’s poppin’ with the Mayweather and Logan Paul exhibition fight.

As always, you’ll walk away with tools that will help build your brand or business. So grab your pen and paper or your favorite device and check it out!

What You Will Discover:

  • Associate the new stuff you’re doing with what people know you for.
  • Show the journey and create a movement
  • What can you do to create impact and money simultaneously
  • Play to your strengths
  • Do what’s right for your brand
  • Understand your brand
  • Owning it when others won’t
  • Assess the partnership
  • What can you do to make your NFT an experience
  • Do you protect the legacy or get the bag?
Transcript

Nicky Saunders:

What's poppin'? What's poppin'? What's poppin'? Welcome to Nicky and Moose! I'm Nicky! That's Moose! What's up Moose?

Mostafa Ghonim:

What up y'all?

Nicky Saunders:

And today is Episode 32! And today we're gonna be talking about "Sorry, Not Sorry". We're going to be talking about Will Smith, Gary Vee and the NFT situation. We're going to be talking about just a lot of stuff, just Floyd. Of course we're going to talk about this ridiculous fight all that great stuff. Moose, how you feel about this episode?

Mostafa Ghonim:

It has been two weeks since we've got into have like, an episode we just you and I. So yeah, it's time to get back to the flow.

Nicky Saunders:

Let's get into this intro.

Jaymie Jordan:

Two kids from Queens, cut from a different cloth. Now joining forces helping you to elevate your personal brand. Yeah I'm talking about Nicky and Moose! Bringing you a never before seen perspective into the mindset, the mentality, the behaviors, the driving force, but more importantly, the stories behind the people and brands that you know and love the most.

Nicky Saunders:

And you already know what time it is it is review of the week. So this review says "Love the Podcast: I love your podcast, but especially the latest episode with Jeremy Joyce," shout out to Jeremy, "I have been doing side hustles for years but people always tell me to narrow down to one thing. I recently started with a business coach. I'm so inspired to take my business to the next level. Thanks so much for helping us. There are so many people that are working and want to build something for themselves outside of social media." Shout out to everybody who leaves us a review. You saw how I got the big one this time? Did you see that? I had to change the format real quick. So shout out to everybody who leaves us a review. We read them. We love them. Clearly we highlight them. We do this for y'all. Moose, how you feeling? How's everything?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Man, I am excellent. I am excellent. I wrapping up a phenomenal month here. So things have been good man. Things have been good.

Nicky Saunders:

Moose makes me feel hungry. But you know, that's, that's a topic for maybe a YouTube live but shout out to all those who are listening in audio experience. And everybody who's watching on the YouTube vibes, right? Man? Oh, we have so much to talk about. You know, this is the crazy part. When we do these little guests episodes, then we have so much to like, come back and we're like, Alright, we got to talk about this, this, this, this, this this. And we only have like an hour and something. So expect an action packed episode with this one. So we're just going to get to it. You see it. And if you don't see it, because you're listening. We have the cover of DJ Khaled with Jay Z and Nas, s "Sorry, Not Sorry". We're going to talk about it in a different way, then you expect it. We're not doing a Music Review. Even though it was a different song. I'll say it was a different song. I'm not gonna say it was a fire song. I'm gonna say it's a different song. So Moose first, what did you think about the song?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of the song. You know, I think it's a cool song. They're definitely it's it's telling the story of their age, which I think is it's a good look, you know, I love to collab of course, and shout out to Khaled man I think Khaled is doing some incredible work like continuously able to bring people together to make great music and and kind of tell some phenomenal stories. So I think the idea is really, really dope. Now the message that they're also saying, you know, like I said, You even from the music video itself, the way they're dressed, it's it's showing a different side of them. You know, I don't know if someone is looking at the details as much as I am is like wondering why is Jay Z's name come first. Why is it not Nas, Khaled and Jay Z,? You know what I'm saying like, why, why? You got to stir the pot. You got to stir the pot.

Nicky Saunders:

Why?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Because if I were Nas, I would want to know why. Hey, Khaled, why don't you put my name first? Why Jay gotta go first? Jay always goes first. That's what I would say.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, he does. Absolutely. He makes more money. I'm just saying. Anyways...

Mostafa Ghonim:

No, it's a good I think it's a good idea though. The album is dope. Album is dope. And I think overall the idea is really cool. And they're giving you a different message like it's, it's something that's telling, yo, here's how we've progressed now. So I think the beef, it's safe to say at least from my side, I think that the beef is over for the most part from from what I'm seeing.

Nicky Saunders:

I think the beef was over a long time ago.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah but people still, people still held on to the idea like, ah, remember, remember, even there was a time when we talked about that every time Nas drop, something Jay comes right after?

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah

Mostafa Ghonim:

There's like a little like...

Nicky Saunders:

I mean, media is going to be media, you know, um, even us as fans, we're going to try to keep maybe even the beef alive, because it's more interesting than them getting together, you know, um, but from, from my standpoint, I think this is a great example of how you can associate the new stuff that you're doing with what people know you for, right? Everybody knows Nas, and Jay Z for rapping. But clearly, in the past episodes, we've talked about Coinbase, we've talked about selling Tidal and champagne. I just forward Moose this article that he may be starting a production company like they've grown from maybe the bars that we've known them from before, right. And the biggest thing is like when you when you grow into other things, like how do you associate that with your brand? How can you still make it relevant because it's part of you, right? And when it comes to a music standpoint, I like how they can storytell and give you listen, I'm, I'm Crypto Scarface. I'm I made another B and this is another B's, double B's and all these, like, the, the bars that they are saying now reflects on their life. Like they can't go back and say how broke they were what they were hustling from, like, and I look at that from, like, how do you associate that with your messaging for your brand new business? Like, especially as a personal brand? How can you kind of dibble and dabble with getting people aware of what you're doing in the niche or the lane that people knew you for? Right? Because to sit here and expect the full blown album, as frequent as we used to have of Jay Z is probably not likely same with Nas is probably not likely, even though he's been very consistent lately. You know, I'm not going to hold my breath and say that's, for the next five years, my man is going to drop an album every single year. Shout out to to the people in on our YouTube channel, commenting. Somebody was like yo, Nas have been dropping an album each year, like for three years straight. True, but also understanding I'm very realistic with age and accomplishments. Right? Are you really expecting Nas to do this for another five years when he doesn't necessarily have to? I don't know. Right? So maybe this was kind of a way of saying, Hey, y'all see, I'm investing here. Y'all see, I'm in today's crypto world. You know, this is what it's about now for me. And this is my lifestyle now. Jay Z is like, Listen, I'm, I'm out here doing all these other things. It gives you a sense of, I'm still here for those who've been down for me and who still want what they know me for. But I'm making you aware so you can follow me on these other adventures and journeys that I have. That's what I really got out of the song. And that's why I wanted to bring it to the podcast because I always feel like certain rappers always have a deeper meaning when they come out with music, right? I'm excited. J. Cole announced his album, it should be dropping the 14th, May... What are we in May? Are we in May?

Mostafa Ghonim:

This is May.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah. Okay.

Mostafa Ghonim:

So couple of Fridays, next Friday.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, next Friday, depending on when you hear it. That's why I'm saying May 14, right?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Got you.

Nicky Saunders:

Depending that depending when you hear it. May 14th it drops. He put out an interlude, which is fire. But I'm interested to hear the stories on J. Cole. Because what its been, what, two, three years since he dropped last?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, a couple of years, couple years. And naturally, he's a phenomenal storyteller. So there's definitely going to be, you know that rhythm to it.

Nicky Saunders:

Right. So what is, what is he going to make us aware of if anything? I don't know, maybe he doesn't have any other ventures. Maybe he's not going the Jay Z and Nas route and he just has some things to get off his chest. It's called Off Season, I'm interested to hear it. But back to Jay Z and Nas and of course, I mean, Khaled brings great artists together, like you said, and we can always expect that from Khaled, but to see to, uh, to New York rappers who used to have a beef, who people have speculated still having beef for them to get on one song, and pretty much update us with how rich they are. I mean, one is one made 200 mil on crypto, like not crypto, but the investment of Coinbase, the other one's been making, you know, a couple mil here. Couple mil here, boom, boom, I think when we added it up, it was like, 600- 700 mil in like a week or two. That's a week or two. What do you expect happens in a whole month? I'm just saying, so shout out to Nas and Jay Z and Khaled for this. But let's get into something kind of funny. kind of funny. Um, if y'all haven't been on social media this week, you may have missed this amazing post that Will Smith did, posing like he is a whole baddie with no shirt. Some, I don't know if their boxes are short. So I'm just gonna say with articles, little bare bare minimum article of clothing for man, no socks,chin up high, saying Hello. I'm fat.

Mostafa Ghonim:

He's owning that look too.

Nicky Saunders:

No. Um, so here's the backstory, right? So he dropped the picture, pretty much saying this is the body not not the one that we have up right now. But it was like him and like the shirt. And his belly was out. This is the body that got me through the pandemic, right. And with this one that we have up right now. This one is saying, I'm going to document my weight loss journey. I partnered with YouTube. And you know, I'm owning this, I'm absolutely owning this body and what I've done, and we're going to fix this right? Clearly partnering with YouTube. So there's a bag, there's a motive on losing weight. If we can all have a motive, and a bag to lose weight would be so appreciated. Oh so appreciated. But regardless, right? Um, I think this is genius. I think this is taking transparency to a whole nother level. And I say that because we always preach yo show your true self. Right. And sometimes we mean maybe the message maybe tell them the journey, right? You know, show bits and pieces, man full blown, showed himself and said, Look, look, I'm going to do this. But what's great about this one is that he pretty much created a movement. So other celebrities, other guys did the same kind of pose. And like Yo, I'm with you what's up right now that right there is a pure example of a brand movement. Right? I don't know if he intentionally did that. I'm going to assume because he's strategic and My man knows what he's doing when it comes to social media, like, Okay, if I do this and I say I'm gonna document it, I believe that other people during this pandemic got a little bit heavier during the time, right? So instead of shaming them instead of, you know, not owning up to it, let's all do this together, right? Not only does it benefit myself, but I can impact others. And of course, with the type of brand that I have, right, I am able to make a bag from it. The cool thing is, we look at this from a structure of what can I do that can do impact and money at the same time? Right? What can I create, that is going to get people to do exactly what I'm doing and feel as if we're holding each other's hands through this, and we're supporting each other through this because of your full blown transparency. Right. And some people won't be that transparent. Some people won't be that bold, and being like, Hello, this this, this is me. Hello, this is I'm I'm owning it. And I've made some bad choices clearly. And who's down to do this with me, if not, I'm at least going to document it for somebody down the line to truly be impacted by this and feel as if they're not alone. Brand genius, all the way. I love it, he never, he never disappoints when it comes to his posts is always something is always he's always doing something that is documenting his life. The last big thing, of course, of documenting his life was the Red Table Talk situation, you know, and not being I'm not hiding from it, but taking that full long being with his own platform. So now, from a lower standpoint, this is another thing that he's taking on, and using his platform to, you know, to combat and I think that's genius. But what do you think?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, no, I mean, the rollout is is genius. Like the rollout is so unique, right? Because I feel like the the post the first post you spoke about, he's really like, it's almost like a setup post to get people saying like, oh, man, you a little out of shape there, buddy, you know, like what's going on. And then while you think there's nothing to it, he immediately comes back with like, almost what feels or appears to be a full rollout plan, like you said, a strategic partnership with YouTube to document his entire comeback journey. So he's like, this is the worst shape of my life. And I'm kind of, you know, determined to get it back. So there was another post that he put out today, kind of like day one of the workout and starting that process. So I think is really cool. And when I think of Will Smith to I think the thing that some of the listeners can walk away from this, just to kind of like see how it can apply to them is that there are always a few traits or characteristics or just elements to everything that he does that are always consistent, right, there was a season of his life where he just wanted to live. So he did the bungee jumping out of the helicopter. You know, he was traveling and doing a lot of crazy stuff. But there's always the the idea of having fun, exploring, and just being the best you can be right? Like, I feel like anytime you can break it down across anything he does, those are the elements that stay true to him. And I feel that that's one of the things that make it easy for him to make content or create content, because he's just not saying Well, what's a creative thing that can be done or can be created to help people to, you know, consume what I'm putting out, he's really just looking out for Okay, what are the things that I can repeat, I can kind of rinse wash and repeat through so that I can put out for people when I know people are going to be receptive about it. So that's, that's the part of it that I think makes this post so appealing or accepting and approved by many is because even the way he captioned it the way the picture itself or like it's like this boomerang effect. You know, it has that funny thing to it, that I think it always makes him except that like had he came out and tried to be, let's say, very, like serious and very motivational. I mean, maybe you could have worked, but I don't know that it works as well as that that idea of him playing to his strengths which is like man, people know me for making them Laugh, I'm going to even if I got to use myself as the vessel or the example to do so, I'm going to do it and I'm going to make something out of it. So I think is brilliant, you know, it's brilliant. leveraging that other platform to make it work is really dope.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah. And I think this is also being in, like, very in tune with who you are, and how it goes with your brand, like, shout out to everybody who's taken the flight assessment, and if you haven't flightassessment.com, but him really embodying the whole. I'm a flight attendant, you know, and for those who don't really know what that means, just follow me with it. He understands that, you know what, I love to be in front of the camera, right? I love to do things as a group with people. You know, I love to be the center of attention. Regardless, I'm very transparent with my flaws and stuff. You know, what? How can I put this within my brand? Right? How can I structure it to where it now elevates my brand, instead of maybe being like other celebrities, and kind of hiding the flaws only making myself look picture perfect. As the type of person that I am. I'm not perfect. And I'm okay with that. And I have fun saying that I'm okay with that. And I'm going to show that and impact others because I know when I do this is going to help somebody. So I like how he's very in tune with what he can do within himself and how it affects his brand. Right? And making a bag with it. We all know if you're partnering with YouTube, just like the bungee. I think he partnered with YouTube with the bungee stuff too, right?

Mostafa Ghonim:

He did. Yeah, yeah.

Nicky Saunders:

So I mean, once again, YouTube come holla at us. I mean, why not?

Mostafa Ghonim:

We're on the platform. We there.

Nicky Saunders:

We're here, right. Um, we can help you document document the other documentation. Right, right. I'm just saying but shout out to Will Smith for totally embracing his chubbyness because not everybody can. I sure, I sure would not do that post. I will admit...

Mostafa Ghonim:

You won't do the...

Nicky Saunders:

No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not doing it. Mmm hmm. No. I'm going to admit that while I was in Cancun, I gained seven pounds but I am not going to show you my seven ponds. Let's not its not happening. Okay? If you go through the pictures you could clearly see... right. You can clearly see it but I'm not going to be out here like boom seven pounds and that's okay because I'm partnering with Instagram and on IGTV. I'm going to be document no I'm not, no I'm not, no I'm

Mostafa Ghonim:

It's a good example of you know I'm saying not. I'm just going to get on the Peleton. like knowing what's right for your brand and what's not though. Like for you the fitness stuff is not right for your brand like that's not anything you ever showcased you know what I'm saying? Like its something you do but it just doesn't need to be shown or seen. For Will Smith, you know we know him from whether it be Seven Pounds or Ali. Like he was big on the fitness stuff at one point as well. So when you know like it's still a good twist to it and of ourse he's doing like a come y spin so I think it makes sens so it you know you're joki g but in reality it's just show like it's it's having know edge around what is right for y for me and my brand. What isn' ?

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, don't expect that same post. Don't expect that same post. But let's get into this next topic, which I find very, I'm torn. I'm very torn. Okay. So Nike had let go of the Kobe brand, right. I don't know if let go...the contract expired. Right. So according This is from his wife, I believe right. So this says for my audio experience people: "Kobe's Nike contract expired on 4/13/21. Kobe and Nike have made some of the most beautiful basketball shoes of all time worn and adored by fans and athletes in all sports across the globe. It seems fitting that more NBA players wear my husband's product than any other signature shoe." I think that's a stab at Jordan. But I you know, we're not going. No, I'm going to say that. "But my hope will always be to allow Kobe's fans to get and wear his products. I will continue to fight for that. Kobe's products sell out in seconds, that says everything. I was hoping to forge a lifelong partnership with Nike that reflects my husband's legacy. We will always do everything we can to honor Kobe's and Gigi's legacy that will never change." So this is actually... you start this one off most

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah. Yeah. So and I don't know that Nike dropped their contract. I know that the contract ended, and they've been in a renegotiation for some time, even while Kobe was still around. And what I read was Kobe had shared or was open about some of his frustration with the deal with Nike. So when it came around to, you know, the the time to renew or close out, I guess, you know, his wife Vanessa just decided to say no, we were not doing so. Right, where you stopped reading for sure, there's definitely something happening there that we're not sure what she's implying. Is she saying that there are more players in the league or professional athletes who want access to Kobe gear, but Nike is in signing off on it? Is she saying that other athletes are getting a bigger push or more attention? More than Kobe although Kobe's gear sells out in seconds. We're not sure what she's implying. But you know, definitely playing chess, not checkers here, because it seems that she brought it out what like a, you know, like a peaceful way, let me not burn any bridges, but then jumped on the other side of it, and then started making some moves to produce her own gear. So that that was a super boss move that I did not expect to think would come out. But instead of going to the competitor, because it's common to say, oh, Nike cutting up, alright let me go to Adidas. Oh, Nike and Adidas don't want to work. Let me go to Under Armour. And, and and if you remember, we talked about even in one of our episodes with Kobe that he was with Adidas in the beginning. So he left Adidas to go to Nike. So that could have been an easy move. But apparently, she's thinking way different. And on that big ownership type energy is like, Okay, let me go ahead and just mass produce my whole thing, which I think is going to be very, very interesting to see how it plays out. So I know we have some more screenshots to show here in a second, I'll let you kind of give you a piece on it. But that just shows like the path of where she's headed, which is, which is, which is incredible.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, I think, um, before I show some more evidence on it, but I think this is understanding the power of your brand, right? And shout out to Vanessa Bryant because I didn't know she was such in a boss position like that. But I think, of course, you got to step up when the two most important people in your lives are no longer with you. Right? And now, it's a matter of this has to live on for the legacy to live on. Right. So I like how she already understands the value. Like it sells out. Um, people been asking and you haven't been putting it out, right? Just even basic things that even if you don't know too much business side, you could clearly see that clearly. Right? So reports have it that a little bit after the conversation of the Nike contract expiring. Then you see all these trademarks from Baby Mambas to like Lady Mamba, the Kobe Bryant trademark, I mean a whole gwap of trademarks are being done and it has been said that there is going to be like a release of its own personal brand. Right. And I think that's very smart. I think, once you understand the power, and unfortunately, death does increase that power of demand for, especially with Kobe's status, right? So of course, people are going to want it. Now, what's interesting is that when we remember, and I always find a way to bring him in this, and I don't know why. I need to get this checked out. But when we remember, when Kanye left Nike, see, I don't know why I always bring Kanye up, right. But when Kanye left Nike, he also said, Yo, I wanted my sneakers to be out there more. And it wasn't. And they kept making it super limited. And I wasn't having it. And I left. Right. Paraphrasing, clearly. But that was one of the reasons why Kanye left. And so if, if she is saying, hey, it's clear that my my husband's product is selling out. But you continue to only, like, drop somewhere here and there, especially after his his death. And there's hardly anything like I remember, it was Nike took off all the sneakers out, right after he died. So it didn't seem like they were capitalizing on their death, which I think was a good move. But then when they started releasing it again, it was almost impossible. And for as a fan, even the jersey, they came out with this super dope, Black Mamba jersey that I was like, Yo, I need to get that couldn't get it. Couldn't get it at all, like, man, um, it shouldn't be this hard to get product from somebody we're just trying to remember. And even in, like, I even like the shot she did with, you know, some of these basketball players shouldn't be wearing, you know, other signature shoes. And that's cool. So you would have to think about and maybe LeBron shoes, and the Jordan shoes. But I do agree with that. Yo, give that option, especially for the Lakers. I mean, like, especially for those people who were under Kobe, it would only make sense. So maybe with this move of we'll take over, if you're not going to do it we'll take over. Because, and if I'm wrong for saying this, pardon me, but I don't think they're hurting for money. So to create something of their own, right, to create the the legacy and full ownership of it, whether it's, you know, more products more, you know, sneakers and things like that. Just really fully taking ownership of the estate, I think is a smart move. And I think they'll have enough people to back them on that. I remember when they wanted to turn the NBA logo into Kobe. Yeah. So there is power in just that name. And if the wife continues to move in the way she does, right, she is going to do right by the legacy, and by his name and make sure that players regardless if it's the now or the future, we'll continue to understand and know who Kobe Bryant is and continue to rep. And when you understand your power, and your influence. This is where sometimes being on certain platforms or collaborating with certain brands doesn't necessarily make sense anymore. Right? And for her, it just didn't make any kind of sense. It's like Yo, if you're not going to be able to produce the way we want to let us do it. Because I already understand just by the name it sells out. So what do you think if we was to release it over here? What do you think the name will continue to do it will continue to sell. So you always have to have a measure of the influence that you have within your industry. And if the partnership doesn't make sense anymore, it is okay. Even though maybe you had a hopes of a long term kind of vibe, right? If it doesn't make sense anymore, it is okay to fall back, it is okay to say Yo, it was cool. while it lasted, you showed us the model, sometimes some partnerships are there to show you the way to show exactly how you know how they do it. And you can see the gaps. So when it's time for you to take ownership of it, you're going to do it a little bit different. You gave me the foundation. Absolutely. Thank you for that. But at the same time, you didn't do these these things. So now I know to look for people who could allow mass production of this, who can allow it to be in the right hands of people and available for this group of people. And even um, there was a article that was saying they even semi were frustrated that it wasn't available for kids, right. Shout out to all the kid size wearing people.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Adults.

Nicky Saunders:

AKA myself. Size five and a half. And kids if anybody wants to send any kind of sneakers five and a half. It's a cheaper, you know, Moose has bigger feet. I have smaller feet. So his is like 200 mines is like 140. I'm just saying.

Mostafa Ghonim:

I was trying to put my foot on the screen, its a long way up. Yeah.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm even though there's a really funny story how maybe his shoe size is a little bit smaller than what it's supposed to be?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yo, I can't believe you remeber that.

Nicky Saunders:

No, no, I remember. Especially if it has to do with sneakers. Of course, I remember. But it still doesn't get into the... If he was a seven. He would be there. You would be in the kids section. If you were a seven. But, no, no, no, no. But I mean, in in totality. I just think what she is doing, even though some people be like, no, you're leaving Nike. It's like, it doesn't make sense anymore. However, I'm hoping that there is a system and a machine in place to make sure that lives on because we clearly know Nike is a machine.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Oh, for sure.

Nicky Saunders:

Have been for years, right? But will there be any basketball player, athlete, whatever, that can possibly beat the Jordan Brand? That is my question. Because LeBron is up there now. Okay. LeBron is very up there, but is still not going to beat the Jordan Brand.

Mostafa Ghonim:

You i think i think where most athletes are failing when it comes to that concept is that Jordan, at least at the time their designs really matched streetwear. Athletes today are creating basketball shoes. So no matter what you do, I don't know that, you know, like somebody who grew up maybe loving the game of basketball and can no longer play. He's gonna be like, yeah, I want some J's. You know, because they can match with you know, just dress down, whatever. But today, like the Lebrons, the Kyrie's, the KD's all of these different shoes. They're all just basketball shoes, like none have been in that, like the we see with so many other sneakers. The ones the four is the elevens. They're kind of more street wear right now than they are actually basketball shoes, which I think for many of the other ones, it's the other way around. So it's not it's not really clicking like that.

Nicky Saunders:

I'm just saying I can't be she's probably looking at that. Like, we'll never get past the Jordan Brand. And we deserve to be number one in our category. Right?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah. Its boss move though. To your point like for her to like, add the shoutout to her man because she's already put out I don't know if you saw online, she she already put out something the hoodies. Yeah, the hoodies and I think there were a couple players who bought them for their entire team, I think Kyrie and even the Lakers had them on too. So she's moving quick with it. She's doing a lot of things behind the scenes. I'm like, Man, that's very impressive. Very impressive. I think She's going to be definitely someone who is like, you know, a woman in a position of power that I think is going to open doors for many, at some point down the line. So it'll be really cool to see.

Nicky Saunders:

Vanessa Bryant, if you ever watch this or anybody in the Bryant team, we could possibly help you out with your brand and your business. Don't worry about it just come holla at us, we'll make sure on this platform, it will be highlighted. Go get the go get the hoodies. You know, E wanted a whole bunch of hoodies and we were going to support and I think that's still the plan. So Vanessa Bryant, come holla at us. But, uh, let's talk some NFT talk. I'm really excited about, ya'll know, I get very excited about this whole NFT thing. And I know, for most of our listeners and our viewers, they maybe not still get it just because it's like, Yo, I'm not an artist. I'm not, you know, I don't draw, I don't do these graphics. I don't do, I don't see how this can even benefit my brand or benefit my business in any kind of way. And then Gary Vee came along with his NFT drop, and we're going to talk about it, because just listen or watch.

Gary Vee:

Friends is an ambitious NFT project around characters that have traits that I believe in so so much that I want people to aspire to. They also happen to be a token to a conference that I'm going to put on every single year, called VEECON. VEE Conference, a multi day event that is going to rival some of the greatest conferences in the world around entrepreneurship, marketing ideas, creativity, competition, meeting new friends. It's a community, it will be my great honor to create an ecosystem around the access tokens that are a huge part of this project, hangout time, group stuff, bowling, tennis, bubble hockey, video games, dinners brunches, and then remind me what 555 gift tokens correct.

Nicky Saunders:

So let's get into this. I'm gonna start this one off, because I'm very excited about this. The reason why I'm very excited about this is because this literally shows you that you can literally draw a dot and that could sell. Okay, my man drew, not anything worth putting up my wall. Nothing. Not putting up no dog Angel, any of the things that he drew. Right, so he pretty much killed the whole, you have to be an artist, even though maybe behind in the back of his mind he thinks he's a great doodler. I'm cool with that, whatever it is, but he's literally showing people is not necessarily about the art part. It's about what you can do with the NFT's. He is literally saying, hey, with each one of these tokens, because they're considered tokens, you're going to have access for three years, right? And maybe I'm selling this, but I'm excited about it, because you have access for three years to this to this event. Right? So not only you have admission to a possibly dope event, maybe it'll suck, maybe it won't, I don't know, right? But then you have more access to him, depending on which one you pick, right? You can get one on one, you can get groups, you can get something mailed to you. So it's more of when you create these NFT's What are you pairing it with? Right? Are you in making, what you're pairing it with? what people want than necessarily the actual art or content? Right? And I think that right there is what people are going to start to see and implement when it comes to these NFT's. And everything is about ownership. Right? So it's clear as day is when you buy this we can clearly see who bought it and who needs to get access. Because some people are still like, Yo, I can screenshot that. I can, you know, I can get a copy of it and it's the same thing. Well, now the way he built it is like, huh, yeah, you'll have this different looking drawing, but you won't have access to the event. You won't have access to this virtual group, you won't have access to this mentorship, which is for anybody who is in the educational kind of branding, like consultants and speakers and, you know, coaches and things like that, right? He literally did one, it's like a one of one where you still have to apply because it's a, I believe, maybe a month or so it's a mentoring program, with just him and his team, and you have to apply to it before you can even buy it. So now that that takes me in thinking and, and shout out to Curt, that I'm thinking of different things like Yo, you can drop courses, you could drop ebooks, you could drop exclusive mentorship programs, its not necessarily about the art, it is about the access it provides for your community and for your audience. So I'm, I like how he did that. And from an educational standpoint as well, how he is letting people know, and this is another important part when there's a learning curve when there's something new, how were you educating your audience on how to cop that how to buy it, right. So, with NFT's, of course, it is in the Blockchain in which you have to buy crypto, right? And mainly on the ethereum coin, right. So he in between time of dropping this project, he is educating his audience on here, you have to go buy a you have to access a crypto wallet, right? So download this, put this on your browser or your phone, right? Take Apple Pay and buy some Ethereum, right. And this is going to allow you to get access to these Vee Friends. And if you do not have Ethereum in your metamask wallet, then you cannot have access to anything that I'm dropping. So let me continue to educate it. Let me put you in a community. He put it on discord, which is pretty cool. And I want to learn more about that, right? Want to learn more about Discord. But he put it everybody in the discord. And the frequently asked questions, videos, continue to, like pour into those who are trying to learn it and prepping the people to buy. Some people, whether it's a product or service, just drop it and not really educate people at all. So how he's showing this is like a true blueprint of not only from an NFT kind of world, but also how to release something in general. Are you allowing people to understand what exactly you're dropping, and when it's coming out? And how to purchase it and when to purchase it and things like that? Now, my question, because he did not drop on the time that he said. For those who follow Gary Vee or who is interested in this project, he was supposed to drop 5/5, right. And it didn't due to technical issues or whatever, and still hasn't to from the time that we're recording this right. Now. I look at that in two ways. I look at that as you bit too much. What is that saying? You bit too much, then you can chew some type of stuff.

Mostafa Ghonim:

You bit more than you can chew yeah.

Nicky Saunders:

That one, that right there. Um, you did too much. You created your own platform. You added too many things at the same time. Instead of doing the little small things, what people have been doing in small releases, he's releasing over 10,000 access tokens right on a whole brand new platform. He did too much possibly, or or you are now delaying it and getting people more notified like yo he didn't drop what's happening. Now all eyes are on the project because you said you were going to drop and you didn't. So now we're interested in when are you actually going to drop and how it actually goes. So now you're bringing extra eyes into It. So there's two things because I mean, my man did a whole press release, he went on multi... CNBC, all these different news and media situations, podcasts, all that stuff he did a lot and didn't drop on time. And still there's no release time. So I'm like, Is that is that intentional? Right? Because I wouldn't be mad if it's intentional. Because at the end of the day, he is a marketing genius. I'm not going to say he's not. Right. I may not agree and fully follow the content is as I used to. But I find this very interesting because just the whole project in the release, because it just breaks down different barriers that anybody can really join into this NFT community and not feel the pressure of having something super visual. in play.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Do you think I want to actually ask you a question. And that's what I was thinking about this whole time is, do you think it waters down the artistry, like it's, it's something for the artist to, you know, finally be compensated for their work to be able to continue to make commission off of, you know, great work that they've produced, as opposed to what's traditionally happening now, like, that's, that's why I was excited. I know, we spoke about it very early, when it started to kind of hit the market. And we're like, Man, that's so dope is going to create like an equal space, and people are going to finally be compensated for their work. So just In short, do you think him making this move waters down the industry, because now it opens up scraps of paper to be put out on the space, instead of having you know, someone like Beeple, who, you know, put out stuff for a decade, every single day before he cashed in his big check?

Nicky Saunders:

So, no, don't. The reason why I say that is because the art world is just a part of the NFT situation is not it as a whole. Right? So the art world took the most of it, because that's all we saw. Right? But that doesn't mean that the NFT world is only of digital art. We're seeing just like how he he did, but other people also doing it as well, just maybe not on that wave events, giving creating an NFT, that gives you access to an event, a shout out to Lupe Fiasco. Did I say that? Right? I don't know.

Mostafa Ghonim:

You did. You did.

Nicky Saunders:

I always question if I say that, right. But shout out to Lupe, because he did an NFT drop that then gave access to a virtual concert. Right, that was done in Dame studios. And so people are getting with that our music is starting to really go into that whole NFT world as well, like we've reported before, as far as, you know, unreleased tracks, or newly mixed tracks, that if you get this NFT you'll have access to it. And then I think it was king Leon that was like if you buy this album that is going to be on iTunes. But if you buy it as NFT, you will forever have front row tickets. You see what I'm saying? So, yes, from what we've been introduced from the NFT world is the art because visually, it's it's stunning. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it is the end all be all, and it was only meant for artists. So I think that world is still going to kill it because there are platforms that is only dedicated to digital art in the NFT world. So we wouldn't even matter what else goes on to that. Because the ones that are going to get highlighted is going to be the digital art. Now, as other people find out different ways because literally with it being on the Blockchain, there's a ledger that says you own this, you have this right? Um, that's going to open up the minds for other brands, and, you know, other influencers to be like, how can we take this into our own hands? I believe eBay was thinking about jumping in the g me when it comes to the auctio s, right? UFC was talking ab ut jumping into the NFT wor d, we've already reported t at multiple athletes have jum ed into the NFT world. So tha I don't think it's watering it down. I think it was just he beginning of something that is going to be very dope, si ce this world is turning into m re of a digital vi

Mostafa Ghonim:

Hmm, that's interesting, because I think back to when he first spoke on it, I think there was an interview that you shared early on, where he was just kind of talking about, you know, I'm really not trying to create any waves in the space right now, I'm going to kind of step aside and let the artists do their thing. Yeah. And I guess it's only a matter of time, maybe that timeline is different for everybody. But that's just the thing that came to mind first. It's like, man, I wonder if it's going to shape the industry a little bit differently now that people are really going in there with business incentives or business approach, as opposed to continuing to let you know, the artists benefit as much as possible, at least for you know, a certain amount of time before it's fully turns over. But that's the first thing that comes to mind. So I know there's one group of it. If you've thought about it, that's one thing that comes to mind the other side of it too, of course, you can always see the light and everything, which is like, what he just took something that's extremely complex and simplified it, at least for the thing that gets you through the door, which is the actual art itself. Yeah, he's just like, here you go. Here's my artwork, here's my submission. So yeah no, it's gonna be interesting, because he's really, and one of the things that we've noticed, you know, when when a Gary Vee is that he always goes all in, he's not someone who's going to be like, let me see if maybe like, he goes all in. And this is a commitment. So you see him, if he's saying, you'll have access for three years, I think for a consumer, if you're considering investing into something like this, that should give you the safety of knowing, okay, this is at least going to be around for a minute. Like, it's not just gonna be a one time thing. This is a three year event. So like, I can really gain a lot of benefits from this. So I think that's a smart move. You know, for anyone who's putting together offers, we've talked about buying behavior a lot and tying it back to the flight assessment, just from what we've learned about people and how they buy and make decisions. There are some people who want safety and security. So when you give somebody that, you know, that length of time, it's something that we've done with our programs, too, we've extended it from being a one or two day event, to up to 90 days access to say, Hey, don't worry about having to get it or rush and learn everything in just a matter of time when you have all this, you know, this amount of months with us to learn it. So I think it's a good move. I definitely think it makes sense. That part of it at least. Yeah,

Nicky Saunders:

yeah. And, and also, it adds value, because let's say you go to this conference, that things still has value for the next two years. So let's say you didn't even like the conference. But you know, that's not available anywhere else. Like, once the tokens are gone, they're gone. So you are one of the people that has this particular token that will give access for at least another two years. So there has to be worth something to somebody. So I think that was very smart. And I think a lot of people are going to look at that and be like, Okay, cool. Like even I was on Instagram Live. And I was talking like Yo, Nicky and Moose are gonna do NFT. And if you have it, then you can be a guest on the show. Right? It's just like different ideas. Like it's really going to happen people, so just just wait on it. But, um, that that's just some of the different ideas that not only from, you know, a status of Gary Vee, but podcasts podcasters can get into speakers can get into consultants can get into where it's like, you have this, and then you could get on my platform, then you can do this, then you could do that. So I think it's, I think it's pretty dope. I know. I'm going to buy one because I'm more of the person that if I am speaking about it, I need to be all in on it to see in totality. If this was a win or a flop. That's my whole thing. Like I can't be excited about it and then yo Did you get it? Nah! Why didn't you get it? Like I bought I bought two NFT's already so I'm not just reporting this to just be like, Oh, she she just looks and reads it. No, no. I'm in there. We out here.

Mostafa Ghonim:

In the space Yeah. Yeah.

Nicky Saunders:

But, uh, putting that out there any NFT platform that is watching or that you know of, come holla at us, I'm really serious about dropping some for some really important people. But that's neither here nor there. So, um, last topic, and I don't know how I still don't know fully how I feel about this particular fight. But if you are watching but for my audio people, Mayweather and one of the Paul people are fighting June 6.

Mostafa Ghonim:

One of the Paul's

Nicky Saunders:

One of the Paul people right is fighting June 6, Showtime Pay Per View, all for bragging rights. This is not an actual boxing match. This is what do they call those exhibition kind of vibes? And I'm, I'm torn, you know, I'm torn. The reason why I'm torn is because I am a boxing fan, right? But I am a person who understands strategic moves and business moves. Right. Very, like I understand it. So I had to hear from him and shout out to Gillie & Wallo, who had an amazing interview with him recently. And still go and plan on getting Wallo on the episode on one of these episodes. So go tag him when you see this right. But they asked, I don't know if they asked him or just Mayweather kind of gave this Free Willy but um, here's what he had to say about this particular situation.

Floyd Mayweather:

Logan Paul? A YouTuber? For $100 mil? Give me that. I'd rather have the currency than the legacy because my legacy is already engraved in stone.

Interviewer:

Right.

Floyd Mayweather:

You know, a lot of times they say, Mayweather, he's doing exhibitions. It like it's bad for boxing.

Interviewer:

It ain't bad for your pockets.

Floyd Mayweather:

But at the end of the day, I look at my children. I look at my grandson, I look at my mother. I look at my father. My mother's a millionaire, my dad's a millionaire. My children are millionaires. My little grandson, he's a multimillionaire, he don't even know it. So I don't I don't want for nothing.

Nicky Saunders:

Moose, start this off.

Mostafa Ghonim:

So it's, it's, it's smart. I mean, I definitely get what he's doing. He's genius. because let me tell you why. He's able to really put his ego aside and do what's in the best interest of himself and his family. You know, I think many people, I don't know that I would be able to do it, or at least do that, right? Because I think as an athlete, when you have a love for sport, and I'm sure you can relate, because like you said, you you like you really do have a love for boxing. If you were in that position, and that's what you built on, you would either continue to do it, when it's quote unquote, the right way, or no longer do it at all right to protect the record. So I think he's extremely intelligent, because he's saying No, why? Why would I mess up something that society standards is perfect? 50 and 0, whatever it is, right? Well, I messed that up. But I still have an opportunity to expand from a business standpoint. So he's able to put his ego aside not necessarily care what others are going to say or think and then like, go out there and if their earning potential as accurate 100 million I mean, that is obviously life changing money that he's been able to reproduce multiple times. Now the flip side of it, the opponent and who, you know, who's getting an opportunity to do this? I don't I don't know. I'm not someone who's really followed any of the Paul's for an extensive amount of time to really say much on it. But what I will say is, this part of it is strategic. Anytime a brand goes after young talent, it prolongs the lifeline of the brand. Right so if you are a talent that is let's say Floyd's age, and you are going after or working with or fighting one of the Paul's who are dominating the millennial space right now. And that's just that's just the truth. When you look at the numbers, they are absolutely dominating that space, have a lot of eyes and attention on them, then you have an opportunity to introduce yourself to a generation that may have not necessarily been on the Floyd Mayweather bandwagon. So what does that do for yourself, your businesses and even your children, if you look at it that way, it prolongs the lifeline of your businesses and your brands. So that's the part of it that I'm like, okay, while I may not necessarily know much about the opponent, I can see some strategy tied behind, okay, let's select this person for that reason. It's not so much, you know, just purely off of, you know, wins or losses, or can this person give me a good fighter? Will this be a good show for the fans, I really think that they're looking at it from that standpoint. And at the end of the day, I also think that both of them are very brilliant marketers, right like the Paul's are very good at, you know, marketing online. Obviously, they've killed the YouTube space for a very long time and have bounced back from some craziness. And then Floyd has done it in a more traditional sense. So I think it's like, Man, these are two people who really know how to make money in slightly different ways. But now coming together to see what happens as a result of it. So maybe some some of the truer boxing fans may not necessarily love it, because they're looking at the opponent and they're like, okay, who is this cat? Like, he's not really a true true boxer. Like, he's not a, you know, Pacquiao or somebody that is like, oh, wow, like, Okay, this is gonna be a great fight. But I think it's from a strategy and business move. Yeah, I think a spot on.

Nicky Saunders:

Guys I'm telling you, I'm torn about this one. So for for me, I'm looking at it like, okay, so boxing is a one person sport. So it's not even necessarily thinking about others already. So, to sit here and hope that Floyd Mayweather is a purist and would care about the sport, when in all actuality you are in a sport that only makes you think about yourself already. I can't, I can't necessarily knock it. Right. At the end of the day, you think about yourself, you think about those who matter. Right? And thus, that should be the only thing that matters to you, if you came from that kind of vibe. Now, what's funny when I watched the episode, he was like, there are people who, you know, do, I don't know, golf, or boxing, or whatever, and no one questions them that they are hard of money. But if I was to do an exhibition fight, then people think I'm hard of money. I'm actually not. I have like nine skyscrapers and multiple businesses. I'm good, right? The thing that and we might have to break this down in another time. And we actually did talk about it. On the very first episode of this podcast, shout out to everybody who's listened to episode one. And in the random preview, in the after show that we are creating, I'm going to give a funny story about that whole first episode because that Yeah, that was a very interesting episode. Um, but in that first episode, it did refer to how he, he loves to help the other people in his team to create businesses he loves is not necessarily about the money anymore, it's about the opportunity to get other people to create money. So when I look at this move, and if I am taking it at face value of you don't necessarily need the money. Then there is some project there was something that you are getting other people in position for. I can't knock that. Right. It could possibly be an easy bag, and possibly be right now, the boxing side of me is like there have been people who have been fighting all their lives for the opportunity for Floyd Mayweather. Right? And that's their bragging rights. And you're literally mocking in for a YouTuber, when there's people who've literally called you out and you don't find it, you know, worth even looking at. And so that's where I'm like, I get it. But of course, we see, um, boxers, like a Muhammad Ali, and how he ended up when he fought a little bit maybe too, longer than he should have, right. Floyd Mayweather finished his professional boxing career, and is now strategically picking out fighters he knows he could be with no problem. None whatsoever. I can't knock that. I can't, you're staying within your lane, your boxer. You're still doing the boxing thing. You not only have a promotion company, you're not only are growing the future of boxers, right? You're not only having different businesses, that puts the team that had got you to the place that you are in better situations, you're not only having your family, you know, taking care of like he said, like my mom, my dad, my kids, my grandkids, all that great stuff, right? He's still staying within his lane of what people know him for which is boxing. Right? And, but he's doing it from, I'm not going to necessarily get hurt, but is a chance because maybe these Paul boys may really could fight. You know, I can't necessarily say yes or no, because of the opponents that they have. I mean, they're trash. So they're not on the people that they face are not on a true boxing caliber to fully take you serious, you're now going against one of the smartest fighters that we've known, who literally picked their opponents in a very strategic vibe, and has the defense. like nobody else in the world.

Mostafa Ghonim:

That's real. That's real.

Nicky Saunders:

So but it is also once again, a marketing genius, because for those and I don't have it up, because I don't want to confuse the audio listeners. They had a press release. And the Paul brother whatever, took his hat. Right. And it was a whole physical altercation. Right? And I'm not going to sit here and say that was on purpose or not, right? We've known Floyd to talk a lot of mess and create a lot of chaos in these different press releases and the build up to the show or the fight because he knows that's going to sell so to sit here and say that wasn't plan. You know, it could it couldn't have whatever, right? But we can already expect this is going to be a very annoying entertaining fight. That is going to make both of them a lot of money. I from a boxing fan is not a fan of it. But from a Floyd fan. And the amount of annoyance that I have for the Logan brothers, right? Or Paul brothers, whatever that is, I don't mean you know me when I don't like somebody I don't even say their name. Um, for those people, and how you've literally made a mockery of boxing. I hope Floyd does knock them out. Even though Floyd is not a knockout artist. I do hope he wins so that era could be done. At least from one half we of course have the other brother to worry about so because then he'll probably be a revenge type thing like I could see this being like in the back end, I could clearly see ...fight. One for each brother. It'd be a certain amount of back. It's a smart business.

Mostafa Ghonim:

I hope not the one for each one. Yeah,

Nicky Saunders:

yeah, it's a smart business move. I can't knock it right. Um, but I hope this funniness for boxing is will come to an end because now they're talking about like Ocho Cinco and Matt Barnes doing a fight.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah. Yeah.

Nicky Saunders:

And clearly there's been celebrity boxing happening for ever. Right there. There has been but it's on a fun type thing. It has never been on the caliber that it is right now. and taken to a very serious like YouTubers saying that they're actually boxers well then get the pro license and go ahead.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, I've never, I've never seen them before to be honest with you. Like I've never heard of them until now. Like, you know celebrities fighting I know they do golf outlet you know, they do golf tournament, I know that, you know, but the actual boxing and fighting stuff that I know that the all star, the basketball game, the all star game, whatever that is some softball stuff. But I think it's gonna come down to two things, man, if you're someone who enjoys again, the artistry of boxing, you're going to hate this, you're gonna be like, this is terrible. Like, how do I know that Floyd is even gonna prepare for this the way he did? At least the way we're used to seeing him train multiple times a day on Showtime and you know, leading up to it. How do I know that he's gonna take it that serious? And then the other the other side of it, if you're just in it for entertainment, just because you're like, oh, like, let's just see what happens. You know, I think you maybe will enjoy. But yeah, I don't I don't know what will come about from it. But hopefully what I will hope though, is that, because it's such a sacred sport, and like you said, it's a, it's a sport where a lot of people make a lot of sacrifice, right? There's a lot of people who come from different parts of the world for this for this opportunity. I would hope that people who don't need the money watered down the sport through their craziness, I would hope that they don't do that. I just want to be clear that I hope that they wouldn't watered down the sport, because of their craziness when they don't even need the money. And then because there was a time where boxing was kind of like it was just out in the gray. Like nobody was really paying attention to boxing like that. I mean, after the the heavyweight fighters like, you know, like Tyson left, Lennox Lewis left, and then there was a time where it was just kind of like no one really paid attention to boxing. So yeah, I'm just hoping that, you know, that doesn't happen to it. Are you going to watch it? Are you going to tune in?

Nicky Saunders:

Oh yeah I'm gonna watch it. Um, it's very rare that I miss a Floyd fight. So I'm gonna watch it. Um, now the question of if I'm going to pay for it...

Mostafa Ghonim:

You're keeping it real. I like it. You're being honest.

Nicky Saunders:

I just being very honest, it's it that that is a serious question. We have to, to answer. Um, so...

Mostafa Ghonim:

Are you going to contribute to Floyd's pockets or nah? That's what it comes down to.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah like. But like I said, in all honesty, um, if you can get 100 mil bag...

Mostafa Ghonim:

That's no joke.

Nicky Saunders:

That that's something you know, that's that is definitely and also it shows maybe even for, like, boxers who do reach that age of retirement, like, you too, can still do something. And make a bag for what you love. Because like, even with what would Why would this be different than the Big Three? You know how Ice Cube has that that and that league for basketball? Yeah. So how is that somewhat different? I don't know if it is I just think maybe because of the person of this is where it's getting a little...

Mostafa Ghonim:

For sure that's it's like saying Jordan went to play in the Big Three. Its like Okay, hold on a second that you know that that will create a different a different energy to it. So nah I see it. I see it. I'm sure I think more things will unfold as we get closer. with less than a month away or whatnot. So I'm excited to see what else happens.

Nicky Saunders:

I'm excited. If there's a way you know, what if there's a way to see it in person I would. I'm I'm gonna lie. I always wanted to go...

Mostafa Ghonim:

That would be cool. I've never been to a boxing match.

Nicky Saunders:

Well, I've been to a boxing match, but I've never been. I've been to a boxing match even in Madison Square Garden with Cotto. So, I've been there, but I always wanted to go to a Floyd one. And they're so expensive. Yeah, so if there is a way, wow, I'm kind of implying that my money kind of raised up, but but yeah, you know, um, no flex. But if there is a way to go see that in person, I would honestly love to see that in person.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Are they allowing or are they allowing... where is it?

Nicky Saunders:

It's in Miami so you know, they're super COVID free? Not really. Like, you know, Florida's has not cared for a while. I saw Da' Baby did a huge concert in Orlando. And it looked like the pandemic never happened. It looked like, like two miles out of people. Same thing. It was just, yeah...

Mostafa Ghonim:

Look into it. That'll be cool. I'm gonna be in Florida that weekend. So just saying.

Nicky Saunders:

We may be going to the Mayweather fight, and maybe it may be a whole vibe. So wait, no, see. Now you made me think because I have to go. We'll talk about this offline because now. Anyway.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Squirrel moments

Nicky Saunders:

Alright, so a shout out to everybody who's listening and watching this. Tuesdays 8pm? I said 8pm?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Eastern

Nicky Saunders:

8pm Eastern 7pm Central. Three hours back for west coast. YouTube Live, we're always on there. And of course follow us on Nicky and Moose. But for all our Apple Podcast people, please stay tuned. We have something super super super dope. Coming in next month for you guys. Um, like I said, I kind of hinted it with the after show thing. We are working on something really dope for all my non Apple something. Something people don't worry about it. We're working on something for you guys, too. But our Apple people, cuz we got stocks in it. You're gonna get Yeah, get something special. So grab your iPad. Get you an old iPhone. Get use your iMac or your MacBook. You'll thank me later. I'm just saying you will thank me later. Um, but Moose. final words.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, man. I'm really inspired by Vanessa Bryant and what she's doing there. And I think the courage to up and leave any situation where you feel like you're not being accepted, celebrated or given an opportunity to fully shine and showcase your potential. I think that's that's an encouraging thing. So I'm going to give that or use that as our final words for this week. Man, I really take that into account and just don't be afraid to leave. You know, go to somewhere or go somewhere else. If where you're currently standing is the seller celebrating you for your full potential.