Dec. 28, 2021

Episode 65 - Ownership Opportunities


Episode 65 of Nicky and Moose: The Podcast is a can’t miss! We have another episode full of blueprints to navigate you on your branding and business journeys. Join your hosts as they discuss what’s poppin’ with Diddy and Sean John, Triller’s big business move, and Big Sean on his response to Kanye.

They’ll also dive a little bit more into this NFT world with tips from Chamillionaire that are sure to take your brand or business to the next level. 

This is definitely one you’ll need your pen, pad, or favorite device for! So, grab a friend and check it out! 

 

What You Will Learn

  • The power of influence and partnering with a platform
  • How to analyze an opportunity
  • The importance of creating your own
  • Give loyalty to people who want it
  • Completing vs. competing
  • Shifting from creator to owner

 

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Transcript

Nicky Saunders  
what’s poppin what’s poppin what’s poppin. Welcome To Nicky and moose. I'm Nicky that's moose What's up moose?

Mostafa Ghonim  
What up y'all?

Nicky Saunders  
And welcome to episode 65. I like that number I just don't know. But today, the title is ownership opportunities. Okay, we're going to be talking about Diddy buying back, Sean John, before a couple of million dollars. We're talking about Triller versus going public. And yes, we will be talking about Big Sean responding to Kanye, but kind of in a more business branding twist to it. And then NFT ownership moose, How are we feeling about this?

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah, I'm excited. This takes a different lens or a different approach to look at ownership. The title is actually a play on words, folks. It's not just ownership opportunities, but is opportunities to ownership.

Nicky Saunders  
Yeah, why did you do that? But why did you do that? 

Mostafa Ghonim  
just trying to give people a different perspective to listen to this is gonna be exciting.

Nicky Saunders  
Alright. No, no, we not changing the title I’m with it. Let’s go into this intro. 

Jaymie Jordan  
two kids from Queen's cut from a different cloth. Now joining forces helping you to elevate your personal brand new, I'm talking about Nikki and moves, bringing you a never before seen perspective into the mindset, the mentality, the behaviors, the driving force, or more importantly, the stories behind the people and brands that you know and love the most.

Nicky Saunders  
And you already know what time it is it is the review of the week. And I'm going to do another YouTube comment because we just hit 3000 subscribers on YouTube. So gotta show YouTube, a little bit of love. This was from the clip that we did of B Simone and David Schanz interview about secrets to social media. So this one's important. Felt like Nicky was talking directly to me in this one lots of takeaways I need to come back to started two years ago on YouTube, but watched a lot of successful tubers to emulate. But I'm still copying them. There's a different way of seeing this that is not incorporated. It remains hidden as a main attraction that only you get to visit social media is about inviting outsiders. I've want to say along the ride, I'm not really sure. But that's what I'm going to say. Shout out. Shout out to everybody who watches us and comments on our YouTube. Shout out to everybody who leaves us a review on Apple podcasts and pod chasers. And of course, shout out to our viewers our listeners or however you were experienced this podcast. We appreciate you and all that great stuff. Moose, how are we feeling?

Mostafa Ghonim  
Man pretty good feel Pretty good. Just Well, we're actually recording this on Christmas Day. Yes. Right. So I hope you all enjoyed a very happy Holly Holy Merry Christmas. Things are going great. Yeah. Yeah, no. I don't know. I'm just I'm just trying to voice to people, some good vibes on their. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. But I will say I'm actually really excited to see a lot of the comments that have been coming in with a lot of people just coming across the platform or the podcast for the very first time. I was like, wow, like, you know, like, it's, it's crazy. Because when you do something like this, you start to lose track of who is still discovering you or who's even still listening or what's happening. So to see some comments that people are actually taking time out of their day to be like, hey, just came across this. This is the best thing that's ever happened for me during Christmas and I'm gonna binge watch. I was like, wow, that is awesome. That that made me that made my day. I'm not gonna lie. So that was a good Christmas gift. I'm excited for that. Thank you.

Nicky Saunders  
That is good. Um, I actually actually got a question for you. Okay, kind of started off, okay. So by the time this hits, the next not this one, but the next one is already going to be New Years. Okay. So out of all of 2021 Right? Yeah. What was the biggest lesson that you got from this year? From the podcast? I know. I know. Uh huh. Yep. Got him.

Mostafa Ghonim  
Man, man, and we've done so much this year on the podcast alone. I mean, if you think about it, I believe if I'm not mistaken, we opened up the year interviewing. Like the entire team, right, Karl, CJ, E, we opened up the team with that. So it was like three big interviews back to back. We also had inky on the on the podcast. 

Nicky Saunders  
Yeah inky was the first one I think Umm in the year

Mostafa Ghonim  
was it? But that was 21. I'm saying?

Nicky Saunders  
Yeah, yeah. Because we started. Okay. We started the podcast, October 2020. So we hit a year, this past October. So October.

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah. I'm just like thinking back on all of the incredible guests like so much. Yeah, I thought it, I can't point it to like one lesson. The thing that comes to my mind is what inky said during when, during the interview we had with him about how he keeps journals. For each one of his children as a way to preserve legacy. Yeah, I thought that was like really unique. So I appreciated that concept of just like, yo there's a way to teach things to people that you care about. Although they may not understand it right now, there's a way to still, like not just shoved it under the rug and be like, You know what, it doesn't matter. You don't get it and just leave it at that, but actually documenting why. And that when they get to another age, they can come back and read and say, Oh, this is really what happened behind a move whether it turned out for good or not so good. They can hear it firsthand from you. So I don't know, I appreciated that. I think that's the one thing that sticks out to me, when you when you ask that question right now

Nicky Saunders  
You didn’t get too stumped you don't get to stomped.

Mostafa Ghonim  
yeah, I'm just I was just reflecting on the number of guests. I mean, we had Sean on. There was just a lot of great a lot of great guests throughout the year. What was what was your, What was your big takeaway?

Nicky Saunders  
I would have to I would have to say, when Connie got on, and the true importance of documentation. I mean, like, just really opening my eyes for how, you know, from that point on, and definitely for the next year, how are we documenting ourselves so we can get rid of some of the smaller task as well as make sure that if anything happens to you, like, you're good, right? Clearly, that was an eye opening situation for me this week. So if you missed the the YouTube Live, and you were listening to our after show, which please get the after show on Apple podcast, a little slight plug. But, um, I was saying I was really feeling horrible the last episode and yes, I caught COVID. So, the documentation is definitely something that I was like, oh, yeah, we need to we need to look into that a little bit more. So that was that was it but let us know. Let us know. What was your biggest lesson from the Nicky and moose podcast? Okay. Let us know. Put it on our social medias. DM us however you feel like doing it. Let us know this right. Feel me let's get into this episode. Diddy. All right. Diddy buys back, Sean John clothing brand for $7.6 million dollars. Wow. Um, yeah. So first off, I want to say that that's, that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. Now, I did find a really dope quote that he said about it, right. Um, I launched Sean John in 1998. With the goal of building a premium brand that shattered traditions and introduce hip hop to high fashion on global Scale. Seeing how streetwear has evolved to rewrite the rules of fashion and impact culture across countries, I'm ready to reclaim ownership of the brand. Build a team of visionary designers and global partners to write the next chapter of Shawn John's legacy. Um, okay, maybe I'll give an unpopular opinion or perspective, I'll do this. I'm not really sure. Not really sure why he's getting back into clothing. I'm not really sure about this. I think with the success of Ciroc, and daily own, and everything that he has going, I'm not sure why he would do this. Now. I would, I would, I will say maybe he saw that it was back up for auction. And he was like, okay, all right. I sold it, I made my money. But I can't let this continue to go to company to company, you know, private investor to private investor. Let me let me grab it back. So maybe that was it. You know, maybe that's the situation. And if that is because I mean, it is his name. Right. Like it is. I was gonna say, yeah, it is his name so. I can I can understand it. But at the same time, like, I wonder what, like, I wonder, like, if it's just for let me get my name back. Cool. But if it's for anything else, I'm I'm almost questioning like, Why? Why Yeah. You build businesses to sell them.

Mostafa Ghonim  
100% 100%? Yeah, I think it's interesting. I, I heard. And we covered this on the podcast, actually, where Virgil talked about the importance of not you making your brand name, your actual name? Yes. Because, in a way, you're then limited to what you can do. Right? So I do remember that. And it's funny. I didn't read that anywhere. But as you were talking, I'm like, yeah, thank you might have bought it back, because it's actually his name. And it would suck to have somebody else, manage your name. And you don't really have much say in it, right? Like whatever they do with their company, they can turn it into, I don't know something else. And you're like, dang, that's my name on that brand. And I can't do anything with it. So I think that's a big part of it. But also, if the numbers add up and the facts checked out, he sold the company or 80% of the company for 70 million. Oh, and now he's buying it back for seven.

Nicky Saunders  
Yeah, no. He put the bid for like 3.3 mil at first.

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying like if you sold something for 70, and you're able to buy it back for seven, let's just say a 10th of what you what you already sold it for. And and you feel confident. Now here's what I will say, diddy does have the track record of building out phenomenal teams to run his companies in his enterprises. So I was actually listening to and it's funny, I was gonna send you this interview. I'll share with you after either way but he did. He did. He sat down with isa Ray on Oh, oh, you did? Oh, yeah, I was I was watching that And he was talking about that the person who oversees all of his companies now started out as an assistant as a personal assistant. So it's like he it kind of shows the track record of you took someone from literally the very beginning of their career to now being the president of all of your businesses, it kind of shows that you have the opportunity or the ability to develop so I think that could be another one of the reasons why he feels comfortable getting back in that industry. It's like okay, well let me get some of the right pieces in place and let them kind of build this thing up for me again, especially if I got it at a fraction of the price but I would be interested in I don't think it's out of the question maybe yeah, I feel comfortable predicting that here on Nicky and moose that I can see Sean John changing the name of that, that brand to something else, like actually going through a name change. I wouldn't be surprised.  like if the goal is to sell it again like you think about maybe like building it up. And maybe selling it up selling it again. Yeah, I don't I wouldn't be surprised if he changes it because I don't what other companies or brands does he have right now that still use his name? I don't think any right

Nicky Saunders  
Nah

Mostafa Ghonim  
yeah.

Nicky Saunders  
Yeah, no. Hey, you heard you heard? We'll see. I don't I don't know. Um, but uh, did if you want to send us some Sean John, or whatever you want to call it. We're here for it. We're here for me here.

Mostafa Ghonim  
The Velvet suits are coming back?

Nicky Saunders  
the funny thing is, I was I was looking at, um, I was looking at some old Diddy videos, like 12 years ago. And it was like when Sean John, the logo had changed from like a cursive to like bold, right? And it was like, they was showing new tracksuits and everything like that. I'm like, Man, that's yeah, that's some. But everything comes back. Everything comes back. For sure. Sure. Is. It is what it is. You know what I mean? but let's talk about one of the favorite topics of this year clearly in on nicky and moose. Triller right. And the vs camp right. So Triller to go public, in reverse merger with video tech company, see change? Now, some people are like, what, what does this even mean moose? What is? What does this mean for the people? What what exactly?

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah, a reverse merger is when a private company becomes a public company, by purchasing control of another public company. So in layman's terms, that means Triller is a private company. And instead of them going through the process of submitting their paperwork to be, you know, or filing for an IPO to become and have their initial public offering, they just went ahead and purchased a company that is already public, that has already gone through the process. And they acquired them. So typically, we're accustomed to seeing the larger organizations like the Googles, and the Facebook's and the Amazons acquiring the smaller private companies, so that they can add them to their portfolio. Well, in this case, you had a private company acquire a company that was already public. And and because of the two merges or the fact that they merged that way. It'd be it put it at an evaluation of 5 billion. Mm hmm. Which is a big number. And yeah, say that one more time. Yeah, it puts them at a $5 billion. Would it be? 5 billion dollar Evaluation?

Nicky Saunders  
Sheesh, sheesh. Now, what? Some don't know. Right? Is that, um, well, of course, we know, they acquired vs. Right, the live stream music platform launched by Swiss beats and timberland. But the company also owns amplified.ai, a customer engagement platform, fit or fight, or I think it's fight. I'm a sports and entertainment Pay Per View streaming site. And to vo to view, as I said, which produces influencers, events, and experiences. So it's not just a social media platform, like a fake tick tock. It's a whole bunch more that because even me, I was like, okay, um, do they have enough power to go public? Like, is this something that I may want to like, look into other people would be watching what? And then I'm seeing all the things that they've acquired, and I'm like, Oh, they have a full blown system. Yeah. Yeah, they're not just let me do some videos and some posts, and we keep it moving. That's not what this is.

Mostafa Ghonim  
Which is, which is why I think they were receiving some backlash just because people questioned if they had the same number of customers or users that they projected to have. So and that's the interesting thing is that if you don't fully know what other businesses or industries, a company is involved in you, you might question the depth of their reach. Right. But I think now that you see that they're involved in some of these different avenues. It could be one of the reasons why it made sense.

Nicky Saunders  
I like it, I think and of course, if this goes well, when not if, when this goes public and everything, the people who were involved with versus are going to get a good amount of money. I'm interested See how much that is? Because remember, if if, if y'all forgot everybody who did versus early, what do they get? They get like, they got equity in in everything, right? So you're you're, you're talking about multiple rappers plus, of course, Suisse and Tim, having a good amount of equity in there. And plus a position in the app. And like a creative position in the app. I think that is huge. And that really shows the power of influence and partnering with a platform to not only get your idea and the movement further, but also taking an idea and now turning it into a tech company. I think that is genius.

Mostafa Ghonim  
This is something that's going to put Suisse and Timb on a whole new stratosphere, I think they're going to be looked at, as you know, people who build bridges for artists, especially like all the artists who weren't really getting their songs and music appreciated as much as they were back in the day, like, you know, the Young Jeezy's and the Nellys and all that DMX even amid a lot of people who had amazing music and incredible catalogue, but then it just got love again, once they were put on the platform. So it's going to be very interesting to see.

Nicky Saunders  
I like it. I like it. Congrats to Swiss, congrats to Timb, that’s  huge. But let's get let's Alright, so let's get into this next topic. So y'all know, I am a huge Kanye West fan. And we did go over a little bit not too crazy, of when Kanye went to drink champs and that two part series kind of thing of that interview now. Um, there was a lot of things he said. And we didn't go too, too into the details as far as the drama and you know, the clout that he normally does, but there was a certain artists that he mentioned, that kind of just like saying it was the worst, you know, thing he ever done, which is Big Sean now, Big Sean went on during champs and from a from a response, I wanted to cover it because it's something that we all have to think about as brands, right when we are offer certain opportunities, offer certain platforms, and how do we go about it and what could be the ups and the downs? So here was Big Sean's response to Kanye.

Big Sean  
You know, my manager saw my record deal and said, This is a record deal. I would never say that though. Because why it was an opportunity. I can work my way out of anything. And when you say Manage me that’s saying rock nation? yeah, I'm saying rock nation. Thank you okay. Yeah. He actually he hooked me up. Well, yeah, I'm saying rock Nation. I'm saying Jay Brown. I had to work my way out of my deal. Just now. I had work my way out of that deal. Okay, my man. Like I said, I'm not gonna do it was a golden opportunity. I put at least $30 million in this man pocket or more. And he owes me money and he's up billions him or his company. He said that the Masters he said he was gonna give his artists back his masters and it's just like, that hasn't happened yet, but that would benefit me a lot.

Nicky Saunders  
Okay, so first off, I'm not gonna go too much and we never really do he say she she kind of vibes right. But there was a point that I really wanted to talk about more in a conversational piece, which is sometimes we could get presented an opportunity that isn't necessarily in our favor. However, do you go based off what is best for for you? Or do you know that you have that much confidence that you can leverage this opportunity for what you want down the line? It may be a little inconvenient, it may be a little stressful in the time of that contract or the time of that opportunity? But you know yourself that Well that you can completely leverage it. And it's fine. Now, in this situation, though, he did say, I'm out of the contract now. And we've seen the success of Big Sean. He also mentioned that he's out $6 million. Now, of course, we don't have facts or anything like that. But let's just say, still there is there is a certain amount of things that aren't done that was supposed to be done, right. Whether it is money, whether it is just promises, whatever tasks, whatever it is, right? Just things just aren't easy. And I wanted to talk to you moose about it, because it's like, at looking at, and not just staying in music, but just like, looking at an opportunity to work with one of the biggest names in the industry, right? Um still getting somewhat paid, but probably not as much as you should. Right. Based off, you're on this particular platform. Right. Connections are given once you're on this particular platform. A certain machine is given to you. Because you're on this platform, right? Like, what do you think about going from taking advantage in leveraging the the opportunity or being smart from the jump, and maybe going the hard route At first?

Mostafa Ghonim  
So I'm not against leveraging opportunities, I think leveraging opportunities is a very smart and strategic thing to do, especially if you're coming from the absolute bottom, like you need to latch on to any and everything that can give you a competitive edge. You know, even when you look back at Kanye and he how he got on, right? I think him latching on to Jay, all of the artists that he was able to get a hold of was his way of taking advantage of an opportunity or an invitation onto a platform that was given to him, instead of absolutely doing it on his own. Now there are others who, you know, of course, Tobe comes to mind chance to rapper comes to mind who still within their control have been able to maintain their complete autonomy, their ownership, creative control, and still reached those levels of mainstream. And I'm sure it's it's still only the beginning. And who knows what's going to happen further down the line, the miss the mistake, or at least through my opinion, that I think tends to happen is that you only bank on that one opportunity or that one platform to be the only platform. I hate to say it, but I do really truly believe that. In the business world, you're only respected if you can create your own

Nicky Saunders  
Well, yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I was gonna play devil's advocate. But no, I agree.

Mostafa Ghonim  
I just I just feel like so even when you are a contributor to a platform, there's only so much that you can fully benefit. until you create your own, until you build your own. Um, folks, if you're watching, go watch the video. I'm laughing because Nicky, of course, her facial expressions are one of a kind, but I truly believe that until you create your own man, it's just gonna be that same scenario. I'm only with you and rockin with you as long as I can benefit from you. But the minute that I need somebody to throw under the bus so that I can make my interview be absolute viral and crazy. Go ahead, bro. That truck is you you go right onto the truck. And I feel like that's what happened. So and again, we don't care so much about like you said that he said she said because who knows the real facts of it. But I think the reality of the situation. In today's world for many of us, we're we're big. We're big components. We're big fans of collaboration. We we encourage collaboration. We also encourage ownership. But I think between the two never settle on on on an on a partnership. So much so that you forget to build your own. So even even upon arrival, you should be looking for other opportunities to say, okay, how can I expand this? How can I make this better? How can I create something with what I've been given, leveraging some of the new information, or the new relationships and partnerships that I've been offered as a result of my success are as a result of this partnership, so that I can build something in addition to it. And again, I know it's not easy, because a lot of us would like to think that man, this is, this is the the thing that we've all dreamed for, especially when it's your passion, I think that's what makes it difficult, especially for a Big Sean, like, if you grew up only wanting to be a musician or an artist, and you finally achieved that with your idol of an artist, you're probably thinking like, that's it, I don't want to do nothing else. And unfortunately, there was more should have been, possibly who knows.

Nicky Saunders  
So this is such a, I don't know why I set myself up for this topic, but I'm one it is it is. So the thing is, like, I respect and love what Sean said, as far as, you know, give me the opportunity. I can get myself out of everything. Like, it don't matter what it is, you know, my manager, or whoever was said that this was a horrible deal, one of the worst that he's ever seen, right. And I think as as, as brands, we're going to see those situations, at least once or twice in our career, where the opportunity is amazing, it is something that you probably wouldn't have ever thought could happen, or doesn't happen to many. And you're like, Okay, Um the amount of money that I could possibly get was, you know, not really there. But the opportunity to be here the opportunity to do this the opportunity. This is a once in a lifetime situation, do I say yes? Or do I say no? Ah, like, it happens. Right? Um, and I think what I'm going to say is? Um, no, so. So what I will say is, I believe that everybody should go through that at least once. And I say that, because you have to go through the experience, sometimes to truly understand your worth. Now that's for people who really see Who really get excited about the opportunity who really thought about this opportunity and was like, Oh, my God, this is a dream come to have the will. Not those people who already are like, I know it. I'm good, right? Not those people, right. But those people that believe that they need to be on a platform believe that this is going to get them to next I do believe at least once to go through a situation like that. So it can make you stronger. So it can so you can fully understand everything about your worth, right? And the ins and outs of your industry and how it should be done and how it shouldn't be done. So with how Big Sean, what it like, like we said, whatever the situation may be, he is now become a better leader, he is now probably become a better communicator. He's probably had a certain kind of work ethic and a little bit more attention to contracts and certain situations more than he ever has. And that was only because of the situation that he's in or was in, you know, so I do. I do believe that opportunity, at least once, okay. Is something that you should take advantage and leverage. Because first off, it teaches you the ability to leverage an opportunity, whether it's a free opportunity, whether it's a paid opportunity, You learn how to leverage squeeze everything out of an opportunity. Right? Now, you will be going through a roller coaster. You heard it if you if you've watched the interview, everything from I'm literally there when that person calls, right? I'm literally on the next flight. I'm doing this, I'm doing that I'm doing things that are in even in my paygrade kind of vibes like I'm there like, and you're going to go through that. You have to figure out just like how Big Sean did. How do you get yourself out of it? At what point? When is it up? Here you go. I heard him. I heard

Mostafa Ghonim  
I just have a question. I just have a question. Okay. Do you think

Nicky Saunders  
do you think I did that once the people

Mostafa Ghonim  
the Kanye’s of that situation. Are they doing the Mr. Miyagi? situation where it's like, oh, I'm doing this to prepare you because I know that you're not have that complete mold. And you need to go through the question your worth, fight for your words, so that you can become a complete, right being. I really, like I'm really trying to figure out like, Yo, is that

Nicky Saunders  
we can hope. We hope that this situation, right? I don't. I don't believe that. All situations that are given, like opportunities like that is meant to screw you over. I don't necessarily believe that. Right? I do believe some opportunities that they do, right by the person or by the situation. I do believe in that. Maybe that's my optimistic ways. Right? Um, but I do understand that if I got you in this situation, I'm going to try to milk it until further notice. Right

Mostafa Ghonim  
That’s crazy. It's crazy. It is what it is just because we're talking music, just because we're talking music for some reason. False Prophets, J.Cole song that came to mind. That  came to mind because I'm not gonna lie. I was I was and I said it on on. On the show on the podcast, like yo, I was very inspired by the way Kanye spoke on drink champs and on Joe Rogan. I just felt like, this was someone who was talking from a completely free spirit. Like he just had no, nothing holding him back. Nothing him nothing he felt could you know, manipulate him or control him and he was just speaking his truth. But I also know that no one is perfect. So seeing something like seeing the other side of the story, it kind of gave me like a false prophet vibe. Like, okay, anyone can create this, you for around their being and who they are and what they know and what they can do and how they are with people. But there's always another one I say always because it's like, dang, but I use Am I saying that about me and you? I'm not because I you know, I'm saying? Oh, but we're not we're not in that kind of position either. Like we're not we're not nine Billy crazy. So I don't know. And that's what I'm trying to say. Like, is it a Mr. Miyagi situation? Is it something because we can't see up the hill? So from down here, it looks like something else. But up top, it would be different? Is it is it just like a true false prophet situation? Like that's the that's the part that has me a little torn like, all right, I am. Because truth be told, and I can I can say this now comfortably. If that's what you told me the price of admission was I don’t want in. Oh, like, like, if you told me I had to step on. So and so's neck to get to the next level? I don't want in. I don't, I don't want that to be the price of the admission of my next level. Okay. Because I feel like that's, that's a that's a way that you pay you pay your way, in a worldly way. But there's still a hereafter like, again as a true believer you can't feel like this is the end all be all like this is not the final fight like there's there's something bigger that that we're still all working toward. Like at the gates there's going to be something a different conversation. Again, I'm not trying to make a spiritual but just for me and for me and my people. I just, I wouldn't want that to be my price of admission. Like if you told me that's what you had to do to get in. I'd say I'll pass not in the world.

How would you know?

It's a great question. Just like we're here sitting debating if it's a Mr. Miyagi situation or not, we don't know. Do you think you know?

Nicky Saunders  
So? I love moose. Umm, So like I said earlier, you never know. Right? As far as that. It's instead of concentrating on that part, I would more concentrate on. Am I still learning something from the opportunity that I have? And if I am not, what is the exit strategy? You know,

Mostafa Ghonim  
I got another one. Oh,

Nicky Saunders  
you got another one? Another one? Okay,

Mostafa Ghonim  
Last one, is it big Sean’s fault? Hmm.

Nicky Saunders  
So, no, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say no, for the simple fact. Well, yes or no? How about that? okay to say yes or no. The reason why I say yes or no, because he understood that at a point what was happening, right. But he had enough confidence to say I could get myself out of it. This is not super ideal. But I am in the position that I am because of Kanye. And I'm grateful for that. And so for that, I am going to up it and leverage the crap out of this. Until I get out, I'm not going to complain, I'm not necessarily going to, you know, go do temper tantrums and tell people to get me off the label, I'm just going to work to a certain point where I get myself off of it. Right? So I say yes or no, because yes he understood what was happening after a while, maybe not in the beginning, because you get blinded by the opportunity. And you know, you get blinded, And it's hard to say don't get blinded by the opportunity until the opportunities present in your life. Now, find every reason not to prove them, right? 100%, you know, so everybody's going to get blinded. Now, once you know, you open your eyes, and you're like, oh, first off, you're human. Second, this ain’t , this ain’t What this is this this. This is different, right? Yeah. Yeah. You have to go about it as what is the next steps for me? Do I make a big stink out of it now? Or do I bow out gracefully in the time that it was supposed to? Because that's what he did. contract was done, or whatever it was, he met his whole situation. And now he is free to do whatever he wants.

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah, yeah, typically, I would save something like this for final words. But I I'm going to say it's his fault. I'm gonna say it's his fault. Yeah. And, and the reason why I'm saying that is because it's easier to live when you take ownership over situations like that. I feel like it's always more difficult when you're saying, Oh, well, some of it is my fault. Some of this is your fault. But when you when you find that you're the one to blame, because you saw the pattern and you didn't make your adjustments or move accordingly. It's easier to just kind of take the blame is here. Let me take this one on the chin and keep moving. In other words, what I'm saying is you can only give your loyalty that people who want it like loyalty works only give you loyalty to people who want it. You know, I'm saying I just

Nicky Saunders  
felt like I needed that. I just felt like that needed that.

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah, good way to cap it.

Nicky Saunders  
I feel like this may be a further conversation in the after show. So small little plug. Go Apple podcasts and subscribe to the after show. It's right on Nicaea most it's right there. But let's get into this next segment, clip whatever I want to call it. Let's talk about it. As we know this NFT We talked about it every single week now. NFT web three all that great stuff. And we I was going over this interview with um crook and and millionaire Delta don't know don't worry about oh, fly overhead but millionaire y'all should know if you are, you know Hip Hop head. He made a few few songs, few good songs and then went to the tech world. Okay. Texas rapper Riding dirty is the one that you probably know of.  And, you know, I was very intrigued of like, Yo, where has he been? Like, we keep hearing he’s this great investor. You know, he's into the tech situation what is happening, right? And he was asked a question about this whole NFT situation, are you going to drop an NF t, you know, are you going to come back to rap and do this NFT situation, you used to do things like that anyways, before the NFT's were happening. And his response is something that we definitely have to talk about.

comillionaire  
Come on. So once this kind of wave started happening to everybody in here, I was like, Oh cam, you got to, you know, drop NFTs you gone make more millions, blah, blah, blah. And I'm not a person that just defaults to just always making money sometimes its important to not be the rapper or be on the other side. So I invest, you know, I'm invested in like, 60 plus companies, like I've been chasing every company that I think is like where everybody's gonna drop their NF T's to actually get some ownership in that. Because I do believe that there's a real wave coming. I'm not saying I'm not going to release the NFT but that's not the individual goal. I put out an NFT and then I make me some money, but there's money to be made from ownership and a platform. Right. You know, absolutely. You know, we talked about what, you know, people made off of Instagram, when they invested in Instagram Andreessen Horowitz invested $250,000 in Instagram and made $78 million you know, a lot of us use Instagram and ain’t made nothing you know is and so you know, NFT wave is coming in. Everybody's gonna be making them Why doesn’t anybody think about being the owner in the platform?

Nicky Saunders  
Sheesh,

Mostafa Ghonim  
I, so I'm not gonna lie. I've been a fan of comillionaires ever since he spoke on man. I forget the the gentleman's name. I'm gonna come back to it though. He's the he's the owner of like a protein supplement company. Oh, Tom I think his name Tom, Tom? Vu, something like that. But yeah, so sorry. If I messed up your name, Tom. It happens to me all the time. I am terrible. Or my name gets made fun of often. So just in case you hear this, I apologize in advance. But yeah, I heard comillionaire on his platform did a phenomenal interview. And I was like, Whoa, I had no idea that that's how he moved that that's where he was even up to at the time. So I think he's a very brilliant mind and understands business and tech at a very high level. I'm always appreciative of people who speak from that, which is not just seasonal, trending or new. Like he's been in the space. He's been in the tech space for a minute. He's not just talking on it. Because, you know, web three and NFTs metaverse. Like, no, he's, he's been in that space. So it's cool to see what he's saying because he's basically looking at where the traffic is going. And he's putting his money on a safer bet, not to say that NF T's are not a safe bet, or that they're not a great investment. But there's going to be a lot more NFT's created than platforms to Hauserman. Right, so So I think I think this is a great opportunity for us to start seeing how some of these successful people think. And they're able to almost reverse engineer or just look at something from a completely different purview or perspective and see that, okay, here's where everyone's going. Instead of me just jumping in the crowd and trying to do what they're doing, and become just another person who's fighting the good fight hoping to come up on top, why don't I just take a safer bet and provide something that they all need, which is a platform to purchase or secure their NFTs like a lot of these complementing services and and we've, we've mentioned this at some point for sure, on the journey of the podcast, but sometimes when people say collaboration over competition, in business, especially from a service standpoint, it's really it's really looking at products or services that complete with what the product is doing or what the product needs, instead of jumping into the market and competing with everyone else within it. So you can you can develop completing, not a competing, but a completing product or service, because it's already there, there's a need for it, and you're just providing the convenience and the security.

Nicky Saunders  
That's, that's really good. I don't know if I should say something, but I will. Please do. So. Um, I think that last bar that he said, just really brought it to home where it was like, Yo, they invested to 250,000 on Instagram, and we all know how much they made off of it. And we're not making a single thing if we are its coins, compared to those people who actually invested in the platform. And it goes more from not just being consumers and creators of the next wave. Right? If becomes more of the investors and the platforms, then necessarily, you know, and that's hard for me to think about because it's like, okay, something's coming new. How do we create on this, you know, a more influence kind of way and, and a more, you know, for early adaptors, adopters on situations as that's how I'm always thinking about it, and then it's like, Nah, you could do that. It could still happen, right? Because you should be one of the biggest creators of something that you've invested in, you should be one of the biggest creators influencers that you have equity in and that you have some skin in the game in right, because not only what was that that was that hairline thing, that menu. So he says like, not only in my I'm the owner, but I'm a customer of it. You know what I'm talking about was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody remind me what exactly what it was, but it was always for these balding men is like, oh, it works. Not only am I the president, but I'm also a user. It's like, okay, great. Awesome, right, but but Um

Mostafa Ghonim  
It’s a bald joke, you gotta be bald to get it. You know? Shout out to the bald folks

Nicky Saunders  
Yeah, shout out to y’all, But I'm not I don't have those problems. I don't have those problems. But But you, it's all about changing the mindset is all in that's why I love this clip. Because especially with the Instagram thing, like I spent hours creating for Instagram and, and super happy that they're finally monetizing it for creators, but even from a standpoint of a an example of like, the Instagram has reels what are the short form videos, right? And they're like, you can make up to $8,500 in a month. Cool. You have to get 9.8 million plays. Sheesh, I’m like that's crazy. I'm like, thank you. But something doesn't add up. Right?

Mostafa Ghonim  
Yeah. How much are they making off that 9.8? thats crazy.

Nicky Saunders  
Hey, so you got to think of it like, okay, um, now granted, you want to take things more into your own control with your content and blah, blah, blah. That's a whole nother topic within itself. But the way he's he's looking at is like, look, I'm gonna create then NFTs I am later down the down the road. That's not my main thing. My main thing is, if there's a new wave happening, how do I get in the game as far as ownership with it from these platforms, rather than just a one and done situation? You know, yeah. So and that doesn't just only have to be NFT's. What is something that a lot of people are starting to talk about? And how can you get more skin in the game with that? Whether it is even from a brand ambassador standpoint where they give you some equity into it, you know, you know, creating your own kind of platform of bout it. You know, it's it's changing the mindset and shifting certain things from just being a creator to more being an owner. And I'm like, huh, this is This is really interesting, right? To the point where, um, and look into that, that, that that interview, right, where he even explains how you can invest in certain things that I gave to moose. Like, maybe we got to look into this, right? Yeah, 100% and just that little switch, but that's why these interviews and content and everything is shouldn't just be something we consume. It's just something that we literally take and we execute on. It's like, okay, cool. If there's a new wave of erasable pens, right, everybody in the mamas is talking about coming out with their own. Okay, who makes them? Who makes them? How do I get into deal with them? How do I get to talk to them? What are the other competitors doing to make something like that? How do I get in the game with them? You know, not how can I come out with my own is how, what are the different parts? You know, does this very well, um, people who who invest in stocks, like, what I realize when it comes to Apple is like, they'll look into the different parts of what makes the computer and invest in those too, you know, because, yeah, you want to invest in Apple. But Apple has this situation this graphics card and distant you know, these different hardwares Are you also because when they're up those are up to exactly, exactly. So yeah, shout out, shout out to comillionaire for just helping even a creator like me just start thinking about. Hmm, that's let's not just think about being first to create it, even though that should still. Right. But not before. How do you maximize the most out of this particular wave or opportunity? That's what I say Yeah, yeah, that's good. But, um, this was a great, great episode, the after show, I feel is going to be amazing. Right. So Apple podcasts, if you don't have Apple podcast, go get an iPad, or an old iPhone, put Wi Fi on it. Get Apple podcasts and subscribe to the All Access squad real quick, fast in a hurry. Um, Tuesday's live show. 8pm, Eastern 7pm, Central 5pm West Coast time. We tried. All platforms worked pretty well. They work pretty well. Yeah. isn't bad. Yeah. So we're going to try it again. So you can find us on Facebook, on Twitter, LinkedIn, all these great places. Okay. But the main one, of course, is YouTube. And like I said before, shout out to all our YouTube followers. And moose final words.

Mostafa Ghonim  
yeah, don't don't let your intuition fall numb. Because you're trying to copy somebody else's style in 2022. It is more important that you do it wrong your way. Then trying to copy someone else's style and fail. Like notice, I didn't say, try to copy somebody else and win, or do it your way. And when I'm saying it's literally more important that you trust your intuition and even get it wrong, because you'll learn parts of you that don't belong or ways to do it better. But don't let your intuition for numb because you're trying to do something that somebody else is doing.