Episode 22 - Playing The Long Game
They’re back! Episode 22 of Nicky and Moose the Podcast has just the two kids from Queens waxing deep as they bring back the breakdowns and a brand new segment!
Check out today’s episode to pick up lessons from one of the greatest athletes of all time —Tiger Woods.
Join Nicky and Moose as they, not only celebrate this living legend but also breakdown who he is according to the flight assessment. Discover what you can take away from one of the greatest to ever do it, and what you can implement into your brand or business.
What you will discover:
- Ownership based off your likes.
- Playing the long game.
- Promoting your personal brand.
- Moving on what you’re learning instead of sitting on the information.
- Do you keep the thing you built from the ground up or sell it?
- Who to collaborate with.
- Competing in your lane and competing with your craft.
- Learning from your losses
Nicky Saunders:
What's poppin'? What's poppin'? What's poppin'? Welcome to Nicky and Moose! I'm Nicky! That's Moose! What's up Moose?
Mostafa Ghonim:
What up y'all?
Nicky Saunders:
And we're back just the two of us. We got a whole new segment and we are talking about the greatest athlete to ever live. Yes, I made that statement. Kid phenomenal person. I said it wrong. But you know what I meant. One of, what I think is not that like exciting, but very important in certain people's lives. We're talking about a golfer. Made billions of dollars supposedly. Just having fun. We just gonna talk about his good because he got into kind of an accident. We're gonna get into that. Moose, what do you think of this person? If ya'll don't know who I'm talking about? You know, I'll say in a little bit.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah, I mean, man, it's unfortunate the world of social media because your your greatest accomplishments can get wiped out in a blink of an eye. But uh, you know, what's happening recently, a great time to look back and you know, look over my man's life.
Nicky Saunders:
And if you don't know who we talking about, we're talking about Tiger Woods. But let's get into this intro.
Jaymie Jordan:
Two kids from Queens, cut from a different cloth. Now joining forces helping you to elevate your personal brand. Yeah I'm talking about Nicky and Moose! Bringing you a never before seen perspective into the mindset, the mentality, the behaviors, the driving force, but more importantly, the stories behind the people and brands that you know and love the most.
Nicky Saunders:
And it's another week and it's another review. Welcome to review of the week. And this is going to... Like I don't I don't feel confident about this one. I've been doing good for you. I've been doing good. This is from Cocoacubana. Okay. All right. All right. Shout out to our YouTube people who sees how long this is. Our podcast listeners, bear with me. All right. These two are making major shifts for me mentally. I've recently got into a major car accident that is why do I have too much energy in the car accident part, but bear with me. Alright, that allowed me to reevaluate my entire existence. My ETA Coach Ash put me on to Nicky and shortly the podcast started and I honestly feel like I'm in college, every episode, this content is undeniably some of the most critical, practical, obvious content out that's easily digestible. I appreciate y'all so much for real for real. I get so pumped off your information. I go into application mode and forget but y'all deserve all the roses Flower Flower. 100 100. Ya mean? I even got the emojis!
Mostafa Ghonim:
Wow, okay, Nicks! I see you out here!
Nicky Saunders:
Listen. Listen. I've been practicing. Not Practicing the reading. I love it. really. I have not been practicing. But look, we are How are you? Moose? Let's start off there. How are you? How are you feeling?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Oh, I'm good. I'm good. It's been a while since we got to you know.
Nicky Saunders:
It only took till Episode 22 or something. I think that's...Episode 22 ya mean?
Mostafa Ghonim:
We here. We here.
Nicky Saunders:
Shout out to all the day one shout out to all the day 21s ya mean? If you just got on to us. And if you're new, new, we appreciate you. We appreciate the new news. Right? But I got a new segment and I don't got no music to it, but I'm already dancing to it for some reason. So. So for, uh, for us who always like like to talk about trending stuff, relevant stuff and things like that. We were trying to figure out how do we bring it to the podcast. Because normally we do the breakdowns and things like that. And the breakdowns are not going away. We actually have one today. But I wanted to talk about something that happened. I don't know, like a week or two ago or something. So the segment is, and y'all could change this, put it on Twitter, Instagram, whatever. But we're literally calling this the segment "What's poppin?". What's poppin this week ya mean? So obviously, we have to talk about Jay Z and the moves that he made and I don't know if y'all heard...You know what, let's just let's just break the news to them.
Jay Z:
We happened upon a brand called Cristal. And, you know, we popularized this brand within our community. And then there was those those comments and the economist, I think anyone else could look them up and see what they were.
Interviewer:
Jay Z says, Hey, if you don't want me, I don't want you. He's organizing a hip hop boycott of Cristal champagne. It has become a very popular drink among the hip hop set, often shown off at music parties or on MTV Cribs. The Managing Director of Cristal recently started controversy, he suggested that all these shout outs for his product might actually be hurting the overall brand image
Jay Z:
As the universe would have it, an opportunity came right shortly thereafter. And it was just perfect to you know, build our own thing.
Interviewer:
Hennessy announcing that it's going to be acquiring a 50% stake in a luxury champagne brand Armand de Brignac. It's also known as Ace of Spades. The brand was popularized and created by Grammy winning artist and businessman Jay Z, who owns it and will retain a 50% ownership stake alongside Moet.
Jay Z:
Happy day and feel very vindicated from that time.
Nicky Saunders:
So I had to give y'all the little backstory of why him having him selling that and still keeping 50%. Right? Why that was so...because Moet Hennesy, for all you drinkers out there, y'all know how big that is. Okay? Do you got numbers? I don't, I didn't ask you for these numbers. So I don't have them understand. I'll keep talking. But it's cool. But, um, to see what I love about this, as usual, and how we do the podcast, we have to give flowers to our living legends, like he continues to show us ownership, but in in a way that, you know, is based off his likes is based off his beliefs and values, right? So when we look at it, he, you know, in the beginning of his career, he was making, you know, everything look luxury, like he was making everything look bigger than what it was. And so he was in like, yo, we didn't think we were going to live this long and have this success. So let's buy everything that we couldn't. And the one drink that they were advertising the most, the owner was like, yo, ya'll actually hurting the brand. Like we didn't want y'all to shout us out. We didn't want y'all to even have it. And you guys, like like Jay said, like, you can look it up exactly what they said. But from that standpoint, he was like, I'm not messing with this. And the fact that he created his own brand, right of champagne, just in the motivation of you don't fool with us so I'm gonna outdo you. And now that this has happened, and he still gets a 50% stake of it. That's, that's crazy. I don't I don't know about you. But that's crazy. And we always like, it's it's seriously the talk of, of social media and everybody who does media, like, how do how do we learn from this? How do we grow from this, and Jay has always been one of the leaders of you don't fool with us, we're gonna do it. He did that with the record label, and hence why he did Rockefeller, which is now Rock Nation. And he even said it like, Yo, I didn't mean to have a media company, because that's what rock nation pretty much is. I didn't mean to have a media company. But when they didn't want to sign us, I had to do it myself. And so now they didn't want to give us anything to drink. I had to do it ourselves and give that, you know, luxury exotic vibe. And everything that he's been coming out with is the same thing. I've read somewhere, and don't quote me as far as what the app is called, but I read somewhere that he's creating an app that allows people to fix their credit, not fix their credit, grow their credit, based off the subscriptions that they have. Like he's always doing something in the background, like, and I think that's why we kind of highlight him a few times is because I feel like he's going to be like a Nipsey like, we're not going to really know what he's done until he passes. What do you think?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, when you when you just study his moves all around, I think there are so many lessons you can extract from this one, right? Like this one was really special. And like you said, we're not drinkers, we're not necessarily into it for that thing. But it's just, we're studying literally just a business model behind it, the whole the whole move. So first off, I think the biggest study to pull is, or the big the biggest lesson to pull is, we've always preached ownership. And we think that's super important. But I think another thing that's just as equally important, especially for this generation, and so many people having to revert to online brands, entrepreneurship, personal branding, because of the pandemic, and what's happened, people want to take things into their own hands. And we're seeing that, but the thing that I want to remind people of too, is yo play the long game. All right. Like, you look at Jay's moves with this. He dropped that bar where he talked about Cristal being racist in 2006. The deal happened in 2021, right? Like you're talking about 15 years of all right, what are some complementing products that I can bring on to my business, right, his artistry of what he's doing? So he brings in something instead of outsourcing it, and allowing people to monetize his publicity or him you know, bringing publicity to their product, he brings it in house builds, it plays the long game. And, and it's funny because we want to say cash out, but like you said, he still has a 50% stake in the company. So it's such a major deal because you get to pocket 300 million, you still have 50% ownership in your company. But also when you talk about LVMH or Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy, whatever their brand, it's such a top tier, luxury brand, that you now just, you know, like, put yourself in with them. I won't be surprised if there are so many more deals to come from it. Right, so many more collabs to come from it. So I think you know, people who are listening right now and again, you're in that space, definitely start thinking about Okay, even if it's not right, right now, what are some of those things that I can start pulling into the brand business instead of outsourcing that business all the way that as I play the long game with it, it can start to build up. And Nicks maybe you can speak on it because literally in the last three months, I've seen a big shift, you know, in how you move like pulled back from buying all the sneakers, stopped buying I'm still taking L's I'm a little mad anyway pullback for the sneakers, but But no, the bigger thing is, it's with the clothing, right? Like the bear is everywhere. The logos and the branding is everywhere, right? Because I would say like that's a part of it, right? Instead of like shedding your money to Nike its like nah let me at least promote my own stuff instead of walking around promoting all these other brands, because that's really what we're doing for him.
Nicky Saunders:
Mm hmm. Yeah, um it only makes sense because the fact that we talk about ownership so much, and the fact that we are always highlighting some of the like the leading legends that are still living like, it only makes sense to make a shift. Like you can't do things with this information and just kind of sit on it and be like, okay, we did a great podcast No, I have to, like start applying it like I'm starting to think of like innovative ways to use my money and not necessarily just spend it to spend it and of course, for me I don't like doing things like a very traditional way. But like even with this I shout out to everybody who like offers to give like hoodies and hats and everything like that and I wear them on other occasions and things like that but when it comes to like this podcast, I have to now move a little bit intentional because we're we're brands right yeah, so learning from like a Jay Z learning from like a Diddy and Rick Ross and everything like that like if I was one thing that I learned from Rick Ross like if we do do product placement is going to you're going to see it on the podcast is going to be like either on the front like Yes, so in today's "What's Poppin" we're gonna be talking about the stock market and the stock market, but you'll see like 19 different things in the front you'd be like Yo, what what is happening right? But it's it's all about what can what can make money without you selling. That's what I'm that's what I'm realizing. Like what's going to make money just kind of you being curious about it like, you know, what is that? What is? What are they talking about? What are they doing? Like, even me and you talked about it like, let me put it out here for people in the podcasting, if anybody anybody knows anything about NFT's come holla at me, let's start there. But like there's a big whole craze right now about NFT's right? And for those people who don't really know what that is, it's like non-fungible tokens or something like that right? Now we're talking about crypto. And one of the things that Nip talk did before he died was invest in crypto, right, he said that was going to be a new thing. So now that they're showing like digital art being sold, and the original artists getting residuals every single time that sells through crypto, now that like, Okay, I'm not going to spend on this and that I'm going to spend time to learn about this. So it could pay out like, I'm not saying I'm going to stop buying all the other stuff forever. I have a sneaker problem. I understand this. Shout out to Jordan, if you are watching this, whether it's the Sixth Man Jordan, or actual Michael Jordan, we we love sneakers, we. Hello, we you see you hold on, hold on, you see the background little little bit, you see right? Three's over there, two's over there. You know, if I move a little bit, you can see some eleven's but you know, we're not gonna really, we're not gonna really break it down. This is light flex but anyways. But in all, you know, bringing it all the way back, I think we have to, at some point of our lives move a little differently, to be able to own and be able to sell without selling. And so I'm big now like, Okay, I got the hoodie. I got the hat, you know. So if you see it, shout out to everybody who's watching on YouTube, I got the Nicky and Moose I got Deeper Than the Brand and things like that. So it for me is just moving a little bit different. And it'll just continue to grow as we continue to do this podcast because I continue to learn, like, we're not just teaching just to teach, like, we're learning as well. Like, I love doing these kind of breakouts because it's like, Okay, what can I learn from Tiger, that who we gonna be talking about? What can I learn from Jay? Okay, not to not to just keep it all. So that's one of the things that I learned from Jay like, not just to keep it all because sometimes we think about the ownership and we keep it forever, right? I know when talking to CJ, shoutout to CJ, he was like, yeah, you grow it and then sell it. That's one of the biggest, like, entrepreneurship kind of vibes, right? And I'm known for like, No, we keep it, you know, I grew it, why am I gonna give it away? But he's like, Nah, you grow it, you get it, you know, for make it on demand and then sell it. Right. But Jay was like, Oh, I'm gonna sell it, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna continue to get the money to continue to get the money. Cool. Right? That's interesting, cuz I thought you had to either keep it or sell it all. Now you're saying you could do you kind of do both? Okay, that's a model I'm gonna look into. That's a model I'm kind of interested in. So that gives you time to do other things. But still, the thing that you build from the ground up still get money from it. That's interesting.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah. And and what I love about that part of it, too, is like, many times, either on the live show or even on the podcast, we talked about, like, how do you know when to collab or who to collab with we've talked about that a lot. And we talked about even why you and I come together and why we where typically people like you and I wouldn't collaborate, we've made it happen nonetheless. In this instance, what i what i want to point out just for again, people who are thinking of how to expand their business and who to collab with the example that he shows off here is you can get with someone who has better distribution than you. Right? Like that's a major gem. Right now, you know, Ace of Spades might be in one specific region. Wherever is produced, it's heavily sold, let's say in the States, because that's where it's most popular. where, again, we talked about LVMH, they have distributions worldwide. So now, I'm collaborating with you because yes, I'm bringing brand recognition but more importantly, you have more juice and more tunnels to be able to get my products out in countries or markets that I don't have access to. So also add that to the list of, you know, models or options that you'd add, you know, with who I would potentially collab with. Yeah, definitely collab with someone who has better distribution, or more advanced distribution than you so they can push the product in other markets,
Nicky Saunders:
All facts. All facts. But the next part, we got to talk about which is kind of the segment of, of how we got into this breakdown, like, Tiger Woods got into a really, bad accident. And to be honest with you, I was kind of nervous. I'm not gonna lie. Like, the way they shout out to the media for making everything seem way too much sometimes. But when I when I heard it was like the jaws of life, they had to get him out of that and everything like that. It was like, oh, man, this is he's done like 2021 is definitely everybody's dying. Okay, side note, side note. Side note. Um, Is it wrong? This is gonna be so bad. Oh, man.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Probably wrong. I can just see the way this one started. Yeah, I could just tell it's probably wrong Nicks. But yeah, let's hear it. It's gonna be funny.
Nicky Saunders:
So, okay. So there's a lot of people that has been dying in 2021. Right?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah.
Nicky Saunders:
Am I wrong for like, the ones that I feel that are like super vets like, it's like, *Spanish*. Like, God bless. Like, you lived a really good life. Right? And not like, Oh my God, why did you leave? You were so young. This is not. Oh, my God, you had so much more to give. Right? And I'm like, *Spanish* like you know? Am I wrong for that?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah I'm with you. I can see that. Nah. It's not too bad. No, it's sad. It's still sad. Nonetheless, but no, I feel you like if someone's out there and age, they scratching 90. It's like you straight.
Nicky Saunders:
And I'm not saying no names, because I'm not trying to offend nobody and things like that. But I'm saying that there has been a few that has been up there. And it's like, ah, but they'll be like, yo, that person was the best in this and best in that. Yes, they were. But they're not doing it anymore. Like at a certain age. Like I don't expect you to live 104 or 110 I don't... as much as we would love for other people to like, I'm not But anyways, back to the topic because you know, I can go this I go, left. Condolences to everybody who died. I'm so horrible. This is bad. But But I thought I thought Tiger was out of here. I was like, oh my God. No, not not Tiger. Like, I don't know if you had any more golf left. But I think you did. And still like no, not Tiger. Right. But he he's good. Not good. But I mean, he's not as bad as we thought he was going to be and things like that. He got some screws in his legs, all that gray stuff. So I thought, yo, why don't we celebrate him during this week, when you already know media was already like, why was he driving alone? Did he have alcohol in him? This then the third? Was there a person in there like man? Media, like CNN and TMZ and all those great stuff. Hello, if you're watching anybody who's associated them Hello. Why do we always have to have a negative vibe to our celebrities? Why do we always have to have like, why don't why don't we fish for that? Well, isn't that he got into a car accident. enough? Isn't that he almost lost his life even that he's hurt isn't that enough? Because there's nothing no one was talking about Tiger for a minute. Like there's no more drama. So is it that you just trying to find something and this is why I really don't like media. This is why...
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah it's not cool. It's not cool. I think it bothered me the most. And you know, and again, I think of Kobe man, because it's like they aired that news before anything was confirmed. So like what I thought about is like, yo, can you imagine how his wife felt? Like you're finding out about something that happened to a loved one, just like everybody else. Like, it's terrible. So I'm always like, Man, I wish we had a little bit more of a filter for that. Like, yo Be mindful of how you deliver news. I get it. It's all about speed. And who's going to break the news and and share the headline first. But you're right. And you you think that part of it is because it humanizes a big celebrity that everyone has probably look up to. So it's like, oh, let me kick on why he's down. But it's like, there's no need for that. I think. Yeah, I think it's cheesy to be honest with you.
Nicky Saunders:
Yeah. And, and I just, I don't, and I see you got me stuttering. So this is the bad part, this is when I get real frustrated. This is why I don't really watch the news, or anything like that. For me, it almost feels like ignorance is bliss, because I don't want to look at certain people that I admire in a negative light. Right? I don't want to see the unnecessary drama that brings in extra headlines and things like that. Like, it's just not necessary, can we just be happy that he isn't dead? Can we be happy that, you know, maybe down the line he could possibly golf again, he could possibly spend time with his kids? You know, you know, he's, I think his mom is still alive, you know, things like that. Like, we have to remember that we're human and not everybody's life is our entertainment. But, I understand the time that we're in. But let's get into to the celebration. Right, so this first clip, I had to kind of mingle in the Tiger we know now but like, where it came from. So you'll know what I'm talking about when I say it.
Tiger Woods:
Winning was fun. Beating someone's even better. Why is that? I don't know. I've always had that. My competitiveness. That sort of brings me through in the clutch. When you have to make a putt, you make a putt, you have to hit the shot, you hit the shot, you just sort of like drop into another zone, and you block out everything. You know, if you win a race, you know, you win a meet by a second or two sure feels a lot better if you win it by five or five or six.
Nicky Saunders:
So, since we're back together, you know, the flight assessment is gonna flight assessment is going to get talked about but let's go into the breakdown first, and then we'll introduce the flight assessment. But I didn't forget about it for my day ones. So, um, the the fact the fact that he was like, I don't know where it came from. And the clip of him being a kid was when he was 14. Right? When he was 14 already like, yo, it's it's about competition. It's about being the best. And the five interviews that is out there of Tiger because he doesn't do interviews a lot. He really is big on competition. He's really big on like, I just want to win. Doesn't matter how many times I won, I just want to win. Right? And, and I look at that from kind of a place of Okay, you've won countless and you'll tell me how many but you've won countless and countless of, you know, tournaments, Masters ,all this great stuff. Yeah, you're you're good. I don't think you're broke. All right. I don't think you're struggling with that. It's not like you're one of these typical athletes like no offense boxers, but that make millions and then still have to fight later on. Because you spend it all right. Like, I think he's good for quite a while, right? Um, so the fact that he still has that, like, killer instinct. And even though these were those were interviews from before, right, there was one that was like in 2019. That was just like, Yo, I'm gonna play again. And I'm going to try to win again. Like that's, it's not an option. It's what I do. Like, yeah. I know people thrive to have that competitive spirit, right, in a healthy way. You know, some people have in an unhealthy way. But in a healthy way, but what do you think is for those people who not necessarily have that naturally? Because you could tell that Tiger had that night naturally? But for those people who don't have that super competitiveness naturally, like, how do you think that could still apply to like what they do? Because clearly, when we go over these people, there is a sense of competitiveness with each one of them in why they are number one in what they do. So what is some of the things that like, regular people could try to thrive for when it comes to competitiveness?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Man, that's a that's a great question. Nick's and, you know, I think with the exception of like, MJ that's the only one that really stands out where my man wanted to compete in everything. If we're gonna see who drinks water faster, we're gonna compete about that. So I think that's an extreme example, for most of these other guys, you'll start to see that they really are competing in their particular lane. And I think that's how people who are not as naturally competitive can also figure a way to just push a little bit more than they normally would like to right? Push in the areas of your lane, right? Like if I think of a of an E, I don't know if he's necessarily as excited to compete in a race as he is to say, Alright, let's turn the mic on and see who will go, you know, the best mic, you know, I don't know, pound for pound, almost that type of example. So yeah, so it's like go in your particular space, because it's not fair that you put in as much work as everybody else. But you don't get the respect, the recognition, the monetary blessings that come with it, and not just for you, even if you're okay, but think of your family, those who are alive and those who are currently coming in the future. I think when you take those things into consideration, it kind of amps you up a little bit like, you know what, I should go at least in my space, I should go and want to put up for those things that you no matter most. So yeah, I would definitely say that's one of the ways but for everything, I think it's difficult for non competitive people to just pull up and automatically start competing and everything, it ends up, it ends up, you know, taking them backwards, if anything.
Nicky Saunders:
So I agree with you, I think you don't have to be competitive in everything. If you don't have to, like this is kind of draining. Coming from a person who is very competitive, its extremely draining, don't, don't try to do that if you don't have to. But I love what you said with within your lane, there has to be kind of that if you're trying to reach greatness, if you're trying to get to the top tier, there has to be like you have to want to beat somebody. But even if there was one interview, that it wasn't necessarily beating people, it was like beating himself and the course, you know, and which was when I heard that I was like, the course? Not like I've heard typical, like, on the only competition is just me. And, you know, I am my worst critic. I am my worst this? Um, okay, I get it. Yeah, that's great, whatever, um, but the fact that you now put, like, I'm in competition with myself, and the actual Craft, And the actual thing that I'm doing every single day, because he was saying, you know, things change all the time, like, between the wind, the turf, you know, the hills, all that great stuff. I have to be in competition with that, and not necessarily focus on people, right. So you know, me, I'm instantly going to convert that into like, with our own brands, like, maybe we're looking at this in a different way. Maybe we're looking at it from like, I'm in competition with the top people in the industry, that's on social media, and that's doing this branding and business thing. And all that when really if we just focus on the actual product or the actual service or, you know, the actual platform that we're on and us and just continue to understand the changes that happen throughout the years. And they actually, without within seconds and days worth there's always a new update in something there's always a new change a new, you know, announcement and things like that. If we was to figure out how do we adjust just within ourselves, like how do we adjust to that how to level up on that playing field and stop focusing on people Numbers, I think that would really change, like, people's whole levels. If they did that. I know we've we kind of pay attention. Like, we're almost like squirrels like, we're like, okay, that's happening. And that's happening. And this is happening. And that person is doing this and that person. And we get very overwhelmed with other people's success and other people's movements and things like that. But why don't we just focus on us and the craft? Why don't we just focus on on that. And we can, other people will have to look at us, because all we're focusing now is what's in front of us. All we're focusing now is what we want to be good at. Doing what other people are doing and being competitive with that is okay, you were a great competitor. Great. Absolutely. Like that person was very competitive. Cool. But does that just because you're competitive? Does that instantly give you a stamp of greatness in your lane? I don't know.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah, that's good word Nicks. That's a good word. You know, it's funny, I, I did a call for Karl and shout out to Karl and his whole grounds crew community today. And I was talking about how I've used my flight assessment to protect against my limitations. And some of the waya and one of the ways in which I've done that is I've created my own rules, right? And we can expand on that maybe another time, but I love what you said there is like, you know, maybe your competition isn't that other business or that other brand or that other influencer maybe your competition can be legit the platform. That's That's huge. I never thought about it that way. Like imagine just like I there's gonna be me against Instagram reels or me against Twitter fleets. Because you're right, like, every single day, it seems like there's a new platform, a new feature, a new concept that and if you play that, I like that. Wow. Wow. Okay, shoot you might mess around and get me back on social. That's good. That's a good one.
Nicky Saunders:
Everybody go on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter and Nicky and Moose and say, We need you back. We need you back. I'm just saying it's, it's it's a true statement its a true statement. Um, let's get into this, this next clip real quick, because I could go on, on this competitive vibe. But that's just typical. Actually. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. We got to figure out what Tiger is according to the flight assessment. Okay. We haven't talked about it for a little bit. Um, and shout out to those who have been on IG live. Y'all been getting like a whole masterclass and everything like that. But actually random side note. It has been requested that we go live on IG Moose, through Nicky and Moose. Yeah. So we might have to make that that happen.
Mostafa Ghonim:
How would we do that?
Nicky Saunders:
I'll go on Nicky and Moose and then I'll bring you in.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Let's go. I'm with it.
Nicky Saunders:
To be announced people to be announced. Yay. But let's, let's talk about it. So we got to figure out what Tiger is. And if you are new, don't worry, we're gonna break this down, right? We go based off four characters, because we like characters. And we wanted to kind of connect with us a little bit more. Right. So we have four of them. We have pilot we have flight assessment, flight attendant grounds crew, and air traffic controller. Moose in a minute, or whatever you want to do, because it's been a minute, you let the people know what's what.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah, let me give you a background to this man real quick. The reason why we're so big on the flight assessment and these characters, is because we don't want to be the one size fits all type of solution to any personal brand and entrepreneur out there listening, right? We want to be able to tailor the information to you depending on your style. And that's what these characters are all about. So the flight assessment, simply put, it just lets you know, what are your top personality traits, right? What are those top leading traits? And what we do on this show is we legit make a connection between the greats, those that everyone idolizes or may have even forgotten about dead or alive and we want to make the connection so that if you are a pilot after you take the flight assessment, and we're going over someone who also we're saying, hey, based on this person's interviews, and the words and the traits and they're showing they too are a pilot, this may be someone you want to model your business plan or your success or your moves after. So when we look at these four characters, we use the airport theme because this is where all four of them exist, and you can see him working together. So the pilot, you notice the pilot that as soon as he gets on a plane, His only attention is getting the plane from where it is to its final destination. So what we know about pilot traits, and this is how you can begin to connect and see if this is you. pilots are usually just super competitive, right, and I'll give you a little clue right there super competitive, bottom line oriented, absolute absolutely bottom line oriented, they love big picture and challenges and actually stepping up to the plate to make it happen. But next up, you have flight attendants, you notice their swag is totally different. They're not so much into the competitive vibe, they're into having a great time, they're like, hey, I want to make sure that the passengers are finding their seat properly, they have a snack, they have a drink. So they're all about people. Flight attendants usually use relationships, charm charisma, maybe even how they dress to kind of spark conversation and build relationships. Then you have the grounds crew, and you notice that these people are a little bit more versatile, they're evolved in a lot of different areas, they're getting bags on the plane gassing up the plane bringing up snacks and beverages to the flight attendant. So we know that these people prefer to be in a supportive role. But that that doesn't mean that they can't lead. It's just that they're versatile, meaning that they can do many different things. And then last but not least, you got the air traffic control. These are my fellow people. We're typically in a tower somewhere. But we move the business in a different way. Right? We're looking at strategy and analytics and numbers and really thinking about man, how can I develop the business from by making decisions today that can streamline our process and our operation? for years to come? Right. So all four of them make up the final assessment. There you have it.
Nicky Saunders:
So figure out as we go through this, right. What Tiger could possibly be, we pretty much gave you a really good clue. But we're going to get into a little bit more. Here's the next clip. I really want to get into this. This may WARNING This may be the last clip because I really want to get into this one.
Interviewer:
Do you learn more when you lose than when you win?
Tiger Woods:
Depends how you lose. If you play well and lose, then I see I think sometimes you learn less. But if you obviously have a debacle, and really throw up all over yourself and lose that way, then obviously you can learn an awful lot about yourself.
Nicky Saunders:
What? Wait, wait, wait!
Mostafa Ghonim:
Can we play that again? I don't think we've ever done that again? I don't think we've ever done that before. But this one, this was good.
Nicky Saunders:
This one's good? Okay, I did good on this one. Hold up.
Interviewer:
Do you learn more when you lose than when you win?
Tiger Woods:
Depends how you lose. If you play well and lose, then I see I think sometimes you learn less. But if you obviously have a debacle, and really throw up all over yourself and lose that way, then obviously you can learn an awful lot about yourself.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Wow. Wow. What you feel about this?
Nicky Saunders:
So no, no. Let's start with this. Do you agree or disagree? Let's start with...
Mostafa Ghonim:
I agree.
Nicky Saunders:
Really?
Mostafa Ghonim:
I agree. Absolutely. I agree.
Nicky Saunders:
I semi disagree.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Really?
Nicky Saunders:
Right. Okay. You go first. You tell me why you agree?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah. So so the the thing that comes to mind, first and foremost are introverts. Let me tell you why I say that, right? Because you notice that he says when you play well, and you lose, there's less to learn? Yeah, simply because chances are if you've played well, then you've executed on your game plan you. You hit all the dots with your strategy, like you know, you did what you had to do, or what you know, is your potential. You lost for most incidents, and especially athletes who've competed, I've competed, of course, even up to a college level. When you play well and you lose truth be told you walk away saying, All right, they got the best of me today. They're the better team, they're the better player, it is what it is you move on, it's easier to turn the page on those. But when he says you mess up all over yourself, that's when you learn the most. That's major because, number one, it's revealing a lot of gaps in your game. The reason why I'm saying this connects so big with introverts is because it's typically those introverts, grounds crews and air traffic controllers alike, that have fear beneath much of their moves, right. Even if they're moving, they're moving in fear. If they're not moving, it's because of fear. So I think hearing one of the greatest competitors of all time telling you that you learn more through your baddest mess ups. It should almost make messing up at that level a little bit fun. Because if you have any sort of desire to be great at such a high level, you've heard every single person We highlighted on this show tell you, you don't get there without any mistakes. So, so I'm connecting with this one big time Nicks because of that, and I'm immediately thinking of our introverts and saying, Man, I would hope that hearing it from someone like a Tiger, knowing that my man won 82, you know, professional tournaments, has second or first all time wins in a lot of these categories, north of 1.5 billion, you know, in, in money earned through the sport, that you would say, shoot, okay, if that's how he thinks about it, then maybe I need to change the way I look at what can happen if I'm not prepared, or if everything is not perfect. Or if I don't really feel as comfortable and confident, then your biggest lessons might just come out of those positions. So yeah, that's what I think about it.
Nicky Saunders:
Okay, so I see your point. So I, I can semi agree with it. Right? Um, I still think to a huge extent, you can still learn a lot from both situations. Now. Why I think that is because even though you have what you think you played your best, and that person just got the best out of you this then third. Clearly, you're not a sore loser. sore losers, right? aka myself, I could admit that I am a sore loser. I'm okay with that. Right? And you got to admit your flaws. I'm not trying to fix it. I just have to admit it, right. But I'm sore losers are always like, yo, how did that person get the best out of me? I need to figure this out ASAP. I need to break this all the way down. And you actually don't think even though you may have done amazing, you clearly didn't do amazing enough to beat that person. You didn't do amazing enough to finish the goal to get the results that you wanted to do. So is that just like, Oh, well, I did. Okay. You know, um, and so, if this person just did a little bit better, I could fix one or two things. No, I'm gonna break that all the way down like, yo, okay, I could have done this different. I could have done that different. I could have done this. And it's almost to the same extent as if it went all wrong. I'm treating it as if it went all wrong. Because I didn't get the result. I didn't get the win I didn't get what I was supposed to get. So I think each each situation gets the same type of energy. There's always something to learn off of an L. Right. It depends on how dedicated you are. And I'm not saying that, like Tiger wasn't dedicated. We clearly hear it in the other ones. But I can't and maybe that's why there was at the end of his career, some some L's that was like, that shouldn't have happened, right? Maybe that that was okay to him. Because he was like, Yo, I did my best. I can't, I can't I'm going to be like, no, I thought I did great. However clearly. This says I didn't if that person won this did I didn't if I didn't make this amount of money. This said I didn't if I didn't get the results that I want. So I'm going to treat it like a complete L instead of a slight L instead of you know what, okay, maybe it was just a bad day kind of vibe, then how did I allow myself to have a bad day in a very important situation like that? How did I let that penetrate my whole like work or career or you know, a competitive vibe. I'm super big on like, work and personal separate so nothing kind of goes through that right so what within the work still penetrated the results? Because the personal's not the issue so now I have to break down into what part of the work or the career or the task actually got through that bugged me that derailed me from getting the the result? I'm breaking it all the way down. I'm not on some.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Okay, so let me let me let me ask you this. What about the stuff that you can't account for so like in sports, we know you know, we call it the "lucky bounce"? Right? Like I saw someone yesterday, shoot a three, the joint bounced twice at the top of the backboard, and then fell straight into the hoop. It's like, Okay, how can you account for Let's say that's the buzzer beater and that goes in. Or let's use this, specifically to the business world. You have the superior product or service, you got the better product or service. But the customer you were after turns out that he was roommates, college roommates with your competitor. And he was like, Ah, you know what, I might have to go with my mans right here. But how do you how do you account for that? Like, I'm with you on that? And I agree, but how would you account for those situations?
Nicky Saunders:
So the "lucky bounce", right, you have to work on your accuracy. You can't leave it to luck. Point blank. You can't leave it to luck.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Okay. I love it. Yep.
Nicky Saunders:
So to the second situation, you're not convincing enough. You're not, you know, you allowed loyalty to get in the way of what was obviously the right choice. Like you needed your whether your storytelling, whether you're positive manipulation, whether it's the relationship that you should be connecting with and make sure that friendship and business is different. Like they should understand that just because we're friends doesn't necessarily mean you instantly got me, I have to go with the clear winner, I have to go, what is going to get me to the next level. Right? I have to do that. If that person did not do that you didn't do your job well.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Hmmm..
Nicky Saunders:
So there's not really different excuses. You know, sometimes it's like, even what we do, oh, is tech issues. Okay, so how can we avoid those tech issues? You know, we, you learn something, there's some things that are going to be out of our control. But we learned from that that's not necessarily an excuse, or less things to work from. It's just about like, how do I avoid this from happening? Okay, I see this, let's do like the the landline going straight to the computer, let's stop going off of Wi Fi. Okay, the lighting was crazy. Let's do it at a different angle this time, you know, there's some things that we can't change right then and there. But that next time, oh, I'm definitely not letting it happen again. So it's it. It there's always something,
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah no I like that. I like to and quite frankly, that's that's the way that I've been able to live my life without many regrets. Because now that you mentioned that it actually reminds me, I've always pointed back to myself in any outcome that I wasn't proud of, and said, What could I could I have done differently, to produce a different outcome instead of like you said, instead of blaming it on the ball, or the bounce, or the relationship? It's like, Yo, what could I...I like that. I like that. That's a
Nicky Saunders:
And that's why I find it very confusing that good word. Tiger said that, because understanding how competitive he is, right? And all the accomplishments he does, like, did you maybe rely on too much that this came to natural to you? Like, is, is that would it because you can't knock him, but then this is why we can see flaws in your game in your personal life not to bring it up. But I'm just saying, then e can see why. Because somet mes when you know, you're natur lly good at it, you kind of li e, I'm only I'm only going to pu h stress to it when when I need to, when it's when it's all me sed up. Now I got to figure it out. But I'm naturally good a this. So if it went south ne time, the next time, it'll e fine. You know, yeah. Depend ng too much on that natura gift. And that could be a good and a bad. I see that more o a bad that he said that out lo d like that. Because it's li e, there are people who are leg tly and that gives a, like a urning desire to beat Tiger. f you are just like, if I gave t my all and you got the best of me then you know, there's less to learn from. Well that p rson is going
Mostafa Ghonim:
That's so true. That's so true. Because a lot of people say nothing more dangerous than a little bit of success. You know, because it's like, yo, you think that Oh, and it's like no, you just got a taste. Let you start treating that as if you finally arrived or achieved your personal legacy that keeps you way below then where you know where you're supposed to be. So that's a good point. That's that's a definitely a good way to look at it. Like don't walk away from a situation you know, pointing a finger like Oh, I didn't happen because he or she did that or didn't do that. That's a good word.
Nicky Saunders:
And I know so this thing I know, it's hard to blame ourselves sometimes. You know, some people really struggle with self accountability.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Why do you think that is?
Nicky Saunders:
It's easier to blame other people. It's easier to find the blame, instead of really seeking in, like, what could I have done differently. You know? And, like, I understand it, because sometimes I struggle with that as well. Like, I'm like, Did you not see what this person did? Like? Why are we coming at me? That person needed to do ABCD before I even touched it. What are you talking about? Right? But then again, could I have made the process a lot faster if I didn't wait for that person? Like, could I have tapped that person? Hey, hey, could I been a little bit more forceful instead of allowing the power to be so much on the other person to, you know, steer the boat and things like that? Possibly. Right? I have to, you know, I have to think of things like that. And not, not a lot of people are good at that part. Not because it, it could be a self issue, like, yo, there's something wrong with me that, like, Are you telling me every single thing that happens is my fault? Yeah, I am in some way, shape, or form. And that's not easy to swallow all the time. That's not like, every single thing that happens that doesn't go my way is my fault. I could have done something different in every single thing. To be honest, yes. There's something if you are a part of it, there is something
Mostafa Ghonim:
I Yeah, I agree. I agree, especially for some of us who let's just be honest, who come from, you know, the the wrong side of the tracks, you know, like, who don't have the opportunity to maybe press snooze a couple of times more than we should or, you know, spend money we shouldn't be spending, you know, like, at some point that's a crit, like those habits or traits are legit deal breakers for many of us. So you translate that into the work side of things. Like you said, not taking personal accountability, not going the extra step that can backfire. Because we don't have second chances like that. So yeah, I do think is critical in this. And, and also, and just to say this, if you're lucky enough to have someone in your life, who's constantly on you that way, because that was the relationship between, you know, even with me and my dad, and that at one point wasn't really as much as appreciated as it should have been. But as I look back and kind of revisited it with a new level of maturity, I'm like, Man, I'm, I wish I had someone like that today, who's constantly reminding you of your potential and, and makes you feel as if nothing feels great. And while we think like, hey, you're never satisfied, but you I'm benefited 100% from the push, like, you know, whoever's pushing you. They don't really benefit from from your growth like that. Yeah, I guess. Sure. Through soul ties. But more than anything, you get the biggest gift or the biggest benefit, because you're the one developing, you're the one becoming more prepared for your next walk. So yeah, I think for those who have that person in their life, man and go say thank you real quick.
Nicky Saunders:
Go say thank you.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Go say thank you real quick.
Nicky Saunders:
So I think that alone, like really determine what Tiger is, and there's so much we could, we could really go over. But I really wanted to focus on these two things. Because it's like one, we got to understand how to have that competitiveness, like you said, within our own lane. Right. But then as well as accountability, like as well as like, yo, there's things that we can learn from every single thing. There's something that we can do different with every single situation, good or bad. I even think on wins, you could still learn something. That's what...if he would have said that like the wins, maybe not so much. I'm learning from compared to the L's, but you gave it two different categories with the L's and I was like, no, not so much. If I won, if I got what I needed to, I may not learn so much from that one. I would look for the gaps a little bit but I wouldn't learn so much but if it's an L in any way, shape or form, on no we breaking that all the way down. We not treating that as a small thing, that's a big thing we have to figure this out, you know this with, with even our situations with some of the webinars that we do, to some it's a big win, to some is like, yo, do you know what you did? Like, oh my God like no one else is doing that in the game. No one and I'm like, Nah, it's not enough. Like it's, we didn't reach the goal that we wanted. So that's not enough it's not it's not what we do. What are you talking about? But to some, it's a win. But to us, even though we understood that there was some things we could that were out of our control, Um, no, no, no, sir. No, ma'am. It's not good enough. We're breaking it all the way down. I'm treating it like, this was all the way trash. I'm coming up with a whole new idea. No, no, no, don't come up with a...and I think that's the problem with me. As far as and I can't speak for all pilots, I'm just gonna speak for me and my pilot, right? Because me my pilot is unique, right? Um, but I feel like if there's an L, like I'm swiping all things that did work before, clearly doesn't work anymore. I don't care if this is the first L. Like, it clearly doesn't work anymore. We got to think of a whole new plan, right? That's not always the greatest thing, because it's so dramatic. And I'm aware of this. But sometimes it works out. Like, what is the happy medium for that?
Mostafa Ghonim:
But you know, immediately what I think of the positive of that is, you'll never get caught sleeping. Because as soon as something happens, you're like, oh, what's up, hold up, you know, like, let's, let's let's address this, where a lot of people end up getting caught with, like, they say, with their pants down, because they was just like, Ah, nah we're good. And then you find yourself in a bad situation that you just shouldn't have been in. So I think I think you gotta you gotta play. Being a little bit patient in certain times, just to give it enough time to fully play out. I would say that's the balance with it. But I see a lot of positives from it too, though. So I can't say that. It's terribly, you know, wrong or bad. Because like I said, being that proactive person, especially in today's world of business and entrepreneurship, man is is so critical.
Nicky Saunders:
I gotta learn patience, people. 2025 it's coming.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Oh, man.
Nicky Saunders:
2025 all right, but let's, let's figure out what Tiger is. Even even though this is even, even though you want to go first? I go first? What are we doing?
Mostafa Ghonim:
You go first. Go for it.
Nicky Saunders:
All right. All right. Um, this I don't think I really got to put the suspense thing but Okay, why don't we do it? I can positively say that he is not a flight attendant. Yeah, my man in one of his interviews was like, cuz they were saying Yo, is it hard to be you like you got famous, like super early, like super early right? He's like, Look, I just gotta maneuver different way like I have to go to like private buildings and settings and like, I'm not outside like that no more. Like I'll I really appreciate just being to ourselves with our loved ones. I was like, Oh, you're definitely not a flight attendant.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Definitely. He's not trying to see nobody.
Nicky Saunders:
Nobody! You don't want to do anything. But I think that's also crazy. Like, once you get to that status, like you have to pay to be alone. That's a fee. Can we talk about the celebrity fees that are not really put into that like, being alone like paying sometimes the biggest fee is like paying for convenience, but now you're paying for alone time. That's almost like paying friends. That's weird. Anyways, tag you're it.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah. I'm gonna confidently say that he is not a grounds crew.
Nicky Saunders:
He doesn't? No? He's not patient? He's not... I mean, he plays golf. You gotta be patient for golf.
Mostafa Ghonim:
True. True. But um nah.
Nicky Saunders:
I was sorry grounds crew. I was rooting for you. That's why you weren't the first one to go like normal. All right. I think I can confidently say that he is not air traffic controller. All right. Sorry. Sorry. We have another one. Another pilot in our midst we do. We see it, we see it. Yes, we have another pilot It was very evident the fact that he was 14 talking about them being competitive and like won so many and when they were like you've done a lot he like yeah, there's more.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Hmm.
Nicky Saunders:
Like it. I think his latest win was what in 2019 or something like that the last Masters?
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah he had a big comeback. Yeah, he had a big comeback.
Nicky Saunders:
Yeah, that's, that's crazy. You have nothing else to prove, sir. You have... look on on Nicky and Moose. You are celebrated. We appreciate you and everything that you did, not only in the sport of golf, but for minorities, period. Like, even hearing some of the stories. It was like, yo, there was some golf courses I wasn't allowed on, you know, and that's crazy. You know, just hearing even like, though that was like 1990 something or 80 something, whatever. But still, the hearing currently is just like Oh, that's so sad. Like that's so trash, right? But for what you've done and just hopefully, you get a lot of rest a speedy recovery. All that great... I'm acting like Tiger you're watching this because you know, maybe one day you will. When you get old and you're like I would like to talk, listen to all the people who talk really nice about me. Oh who is this Nicky and Moose people? Let me listen. Shout out to you because I know you're gonna watch when you're old.
Mostafa Ghonim:
Thanks for watching Tiger.
Nicky Saunders:
Thank you. Thank you for watching. Look real quick, real quick. Follow us. Follow us everywhere. Okay, follow us everywhere. And we got a special announcement. So y'all know that normally we do the Facebook Live. I always get on here and say go check us out on Facebook every Tuesday at 8pm. Well now, we are going to be on YouTube live every Tuesday 8pm. Okay, so a shout out to YouTube shout out to all our YouTube subscribers if you are not a subscriber go over there go Nicky and Moose, type us in youtube.com/nickyandmoose or just look up Nicky and Moose. N-I-C-K-Y please people. Like y'all spell Nicky in the most weirdest ways. It's not that deep. It's right down there over there. But somewhere there over there that way Okay, it's the e just do that for me? B t anyways, Moose, how'd you fe l about this episode? How'd y u fee
Mostafa Ghonim:
This was dope t is was dope. The energy on he e was good. And like you said it s been a while since we rocked s this was dope.
Nicky Saunders:
I know it's crazy. But I get to finally ask. Yay! Wait! I miss the bars! I m ss the bars! Moose, final w
Mostafa Ghonim:
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go off of that Jay mov . I think that's so critical ju t for the culture for everyo e really just watching it's like yo, remember to play the long g me. I think I think right no in today's world with ins ant gratification, a lot of thi gs, convenience at the tip of our fingers, its those who pl y the long game that get rewarde the
Listen On
