June 8, 2021

Episode 36 - Wins & Lessons


Welcome to Episode 36 of Nicky and Moose: The Podcast. Tune in to today’s show as your hosts get candid talking about Bad Bunny and mental health. This episode also covers Deion Sanders’ remarks on role models, of course, what’s poppin’ with Floyd Mayweather and Logan Paul, and finally inspiration from Roddy Rich and Jay-Z.

Grab your pen and paper or your favorite device, whatever your thing is, and check it out.

What You Will Discover:

  • The results of creating to make yourself feel comfortable
  • The importance of sharing your story
  • The seriousness in dealing with low points as an influencer or leader
  • The value in taking responsibility for where you are
  • The advantage of preparing yourself to protect yourself from the viral moments
  • The benefit of checking out and milking the phases of your brand
  • Keep going, you never know who’s paying attention
  • The significance in not staying discouraged
  • The consequences of having a support system
  • The difference is in what you do
Transcript

Nicky Saunders:

What's poppin'? What's poppin'? What's poppin'? Welcome to Nicky and Moose! I'm Nicky! That's Moose! What's up Moose?

Mostafa Ghonim:

What up y'all?

Nicky Saunders:

And we are on episode 36. Moose has a new background for our YouTube viewers. But today we're talking about Bad Bunny, right? Just a little bit it's only right but just a tad bit. We're talking about people who are just really too paid for no reason. And we'll get into that. Talking about role models and a bit of mental health and how to just keep going on. So Moose, how do we feel about this?

Mostafa Ghonim:

I like this, I like this, we setting it up a little bit differently right now. And you see as we're getting a lot more diverse with our topics and really making sure that we're helping you to get good from all sides, right business, personal, mental health the whole nine. So let's get it, here it is.

Nicky Saunders:

Let's get i to th

Jaymie Jordan:

Two kids fro Queens, cut from a differen cloth. Now joining force helping you to elevate you personal brand. Yeah I'm talking about Nicky and Moose! Bringing you a never before seen perspective into the mindset, the mentality, the behaviors, the driving force, but ore importantly, the stories be ind the people and brands that you know and love th

Nicky Saunders:

And you know what time it is, is the review of the week. Like I said, I'm gonna bring back some of the archived ones because I don't want anybody to feel super missed. So this one says, "The best hands down, best content. Build your business, build your brand. They're sharing all the great ideas, get ahead. Thank you for dropping the multiple gems." That they put on there. Multiple. So a shout out to everybody who leaves us a review, we read them. You can leave a review on Apple podcasts. And I think we're on this thing called Podchaser that you could leave a review on too. But I'll find out by the end of this episode if that's true, but, uh, let's get into it. Moose, how are we feeling?

Mostafa Ghonim:

I'm feeling pretty good this, and I had to say it this the earliest we've ever recorded. I mean, ever the earliest episode of Nicky and Moose ever.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah.

Mostafa Ghonim:

But I'm actually feeling pretty good. I got some coffee by and we good.

Nicky Saunders:

Praise God. Yes, this is for those who are listening, this is the earliest and I'm a night owl. So this is a this is a bit of a struggle. But that doesn't mean this isn't gonna be a great episode. So let's get to this. One of the things that has been ringing all through the week is The Shop. Right? The return of The Shop, they had Jay Z on it, Bad Bunny, LeBron, of course, WNBA star who I'm not very familiar with, but she was really dope. Right? She's very dope. Um, and, of course, they talked about a whole gwap of things anytime hearing Jay talk is lessons after lessons. I loved when he was talking about the whole DMX thing and how it improved. Yeah, how it improved his whole, uh, stage presence and learning from how you just build up the crowd and like get not only the guys, but then he took off his shirt and got the ladies and then he made them pray and everybody was crying. That was the best part. Right? But, um, they also had Bad Bunny there. And he said something that he touched on confidence that I really wanted to speak about today because it was low key, and no one will believe me. Low key I'm a shy person. I know. Somebody's like yo, impossible.

Mostafa Ghonim:

I don't believe it. That's a lie somewhere in the streets.

Nicky Saunders:

So we'll get to so we'll get into it right we'll get into it. But let me let me play this clip before you you call me a liar.

Bad Bunny:

*Speaking Spanish*...so it's like be here. Give me the power or the confidence to be like who I am. I don't care.

Interviewer:

So like Jay was stating that when he was a kid that he didn't have the confidence to do but not having a platform

Bad Bunny:

because I'm a shy person, but at the same time,

Nicky Saunders:

So, um, the reason why I like this clip is *speaking Spanish* because it gives, it gives a lot of meaning to building your own platform, right? And it shows people who may be a bit, you know, shy and introverted, that if you create this own space, you can really tap into a personality that is, makes you feel beyond comfortable and bigger than the world, right? Because it's you and the world you created. And so, what I liked about what Bad Bunny said, and going back to what I said, I'm low key shy, okay. And I understand Moose said that's a lie, but he is he he will probably agree with this. So let me get him to agree with this. When I'm in front of people that I don't necessarily know, in public. Have you been in those situations? Where? Like, not really knowing people?

Mostafa Ghonim:

First time meeting them kind of thing?

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, yeah.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Oh, yeah. Okay.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah. How do I act?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Okay, yeah, not like full blown Nicky. Okay. I can see that.

Nicky Saunders:

Okay. Now, with people we know, right, or certain, like work environments, because of the platform that we've created and things like that, as a different Nicky, right. I'm in my world, I'm comfortable, I can go and do whatever I want to do say, however, I want to say it. But let me be in a group of new people. I'm on my phone. Hands down. I'm on my phone, I don't want to talk. I'm like, Hey, what's up, and I keep it moving. Right? So I really identified with bad Bunny, because when he said, yo, like, I normally am in the crib, chillin, I'm shy, and I'm really not super out there kind of vibes, but this world, this stage, you know, this platform, whether it's social media, or whatever, Zoom, however, your platform really is, like, I'm completely, like, feeling free, and creative, and all that great stuff that people see from the outside. And it doesn't necessarily make you like fake or two types of people or whatever. But it's like, I have to create a world that makes me feel good enough and comfortable to be that that way, right to be what I know I can be and the the star that that people see. But if that is not in place, before, like when that wasn't in place, he was probably a different, you know, had to work with the environment that he is in. So I think confidence has a lot to do with what are you creating to make yourself feel confident, and not necessarily only about what people put you in but what you put yourself in to make sure that confidence is never an issue. That's what I got out of it. I don't know.

Mostafa Ghonim:

I don't know why I just felt like hugging you right there.

Nicky Saunders:

Why?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Confidence is more about what are you creating, like to make yourself feel calm? I don't know how you said it the first time but that that hits that's real. That's very real. And I think it connects so much for me, because I've always talked about me being shy or struggling with confidence early. I'm always talking about like fear, fear and lack of confidence, were my biggest two kryptonites, you know, early on. And I think for those of you out there who are like, Man, I'm, I'm still struggling with confidence right now. You're gonna get to a point. And I know this may seem crazy, but you're going to get to a point that you're going to realize that the thing that makes you powerful, or the thing that gives you confidence is the very thing that you're trying to hide. I know that sounds crazy, but a lot of what I was trying to hide Nicky, as I just started getting into environments where it was okay to be vulnerable and transparent and share your story and talk about how you've overcome it. It was the very thing that people started like applauding me for. So, I'm like, Oh, hold up this whole time, I'm thinking, Oh, I can't let people know about this. Like, I'm like, I'm lacking confidence because of this thing that I'm trying to hide. And in reality, the moment I mustered up the courage to speak about it, people started looking at me, as someone of man, you helped me feel confident, and it was like real over my insecurities. Because I had the courage to share my insecurities, I helped other people gain confidence. So that's really the lesson here that if you're building your platform, your brand or your business, it's, it's sometimes a lot less about the product and the service, and more about the story that you share, right? And the best story to share is your story. Because that's the story that you can't get wrong. So that's the part for me, Nicky that I'm like, okay, I can definitely see why you're sharing what you're sharing and why it hits. Because it's like, oh, yeah, that's real. That's so real.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah. And, and, I mean, we look at, like these top celebrities, influencers, brands, and we don't think that there ever is a confidence issue or there isn't doubt, or anything like that, because they're set up so high. Right. But it's for him, right. It's what he created. And I think that's so important. Because Do we know what needs to be in place to create an environment where we feel confident, you know, do we know, the different triggers, that we know that will maybe get us off our, you know, off our Hill, because I'll say that off our Hill, and what is going to help us get back up that hill of confidence. So we don't have you know, so we just know those different things. I know, when I'm in certain environments, I can't act my true self. Right. And I have to adjust more than anything. And I can only do that for so long. Like we know what the flight assessment, slight plug flightassessment.com go take your assessment right now. I promise you, I do the most random drops. But just like, we know, with the flight assessment, that there's only so much time that I can be in to adjust to a different environment like I if there's a reason why I'm in this environment, I have to act this way, how long is that for? Because if not, I'm going to be drained, I'm going to be you know, just not the normal Nicky. So I always have to create different environments that and realize, like, there has to be environment where I'm just in a whole problem solving mode. Like it's not necessarily about people for me, because I'm a pilot, it can't be about people so much it has to be about the results. What environment do I need to do for no distractions and just all go time, right? But then there is an environment that I have to create that for, to be able for me to teach, and be for the people and turn it on and have so much fun. And when the cameras are on, I'm like, Oh, that's Nicky. She a fool and all this great stuff. But then we're at a family dinner. And I'm like, yo, yo, did you see Instagram today? Yeah. What are you doing? Oh I'm posting, don't worry about it. Because posting is the platform that makes me feel great. Right? I'm on, I'll always go back. And I realized that like, shout out to my mom who is probably listening or watching. I realized anytime I didn't feel comfortable, I would always go back to video games. My mom created his environment where that's your safety, like outside, because we're from New York clearly, like outside, we don't know what's happening outside. So this is kind of your safe box right here. Please get on this game and do whatever you want to. So now I've taken that kind of same energy and put it to like social media and creating this particular platform creating this podcast. So any time that I'm not in there, I'm going back to that to my phone into those particular platforms cuz I'm used to that. That got deep. I don't know why I didn't even realize that until I said that.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, that's a good word cuz I've always heard you talk about like, Yo, I created my own virtual world. Like you've always said that, like the whole COVID situation, I created my own virtual world. And quite frankly, I feel like I wasn't as intentional doing that. So like, for me, it was just kind of like, Oh, I'm just working, or I'm just doing, you know, what I got to do, but not so intentional and saying, are you creating a space where you can fully be yourself like you feel untouchable, you don't have to worry about people's thoughts or opinions or any of those things. So I like that. I think definitely, that's a lesson that we can all extract from here from myself, first and foremost, and a reminder to everyone listening or watching this, you know, create a space where you can fully be you without any concern for the outside world or other people's opinions. So because that that definitely builds, you know, a strong sense of character that I think is untouchable.

Nicky Saunders:

And you can turn it off and make sure that you're good. The great part about virtual is, um, which almost made me want to transition to like the last thing that I wanted to go over. Um, but Oh, um, this is this the hard part.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Trust your intuition that's what I'm gonna

Nicky Saunders:

So okay, so this, okay, let me do that. Let say. me do that. So, kind of what he said, like, triggered me to understand that when you create a virtual world, like for me why I love the whole pandemic thing, like you said, is because I can turn it off. And I can focus on, like, making sure I'm good, right? When we were doing events, like people always on us, like, I remember, some eople even like, yo, let's hang ut, what room are you in? And I'm like, Oh, hold on. Nick, p ease don't don't tell them t e room number. No, don't tell them to come like let me let me just stay here. Let me be good. ike, when and, um, but with the irtual world. It was I could tur off and I could reset, righ ? So there is um, there's a clip that's been going on with with Deion Sanders, right. The fo tball player he was on I am... what's that podcast? I AM ATHLETE. There we go. That's why I have Moose because there's he just completes my sentence, right? And he was talking about his lowest and how he was suicidal. When people think that you're such at a high there's some internal stuff that you deal with. But there's this bar that he said that was so fired that I want to talk about if it comes up, because this wasn't clearly what I needed it to be. But Moose has been trying to get this particular podcast on our podcast for a while so he's probably...

Deion Sanders:

That was at the bottom of to me what life was. That's why you got public success and everybody's successful publicly they're struggling somewhere privately. And you got to really understand that. See the thing about it. We do this when the cameras on, we got to do this when the cameras off. And that's not good. That's why you got to be careful who you call a role model because a lot of these models out here playing roles.

Mostafa Ghonim:

That's a bar. That's a bar.

Nicky Saunders:

I almost want to rewind that.

Mostafa Ghonim:

It's worth it. It's worth it.

Nicky Saunders:

And hold on. Hold on. Eddie are our editor just bear with me with this one bear with me. Hold on.

Deion Sanders:

That was at the bottom of to me what life was. That's why you got public success and everybody's successful publicly they're struggling somewhere privately. And you got to really understand that. See the thing about it. We do this when the cameras on, we got to do this when the cameras off. And that's not good. That's why you got to be careful who you call a role model because a lot of these models out here playing roles.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Wow. Wow.

Nicky Saunders:

So and, man, I don't even know how to start this because that first off that bar was all the way fire it goes back to what we were saying for a few episodes where some of these Some of these influencers maybe shouldn't be put such on a pedestal, as far as leaders as far as role models, and some aren't ready to take the responsibility, and we spoke on it from a different aspect, but what he's saying is like, yo, some of us just ain't real good inside. Like, we're really dealing with some real true issues that we have to figure out. Like, we have to figure out what makes us tick. What can like how do we get out of this depression, where people see us in a certain light, because the cameras are on, because the certain interviews because of maybe what we put on social media, but in all actuality, like, this is why it's important to check up on just regular people. Right? He said it in the clip, like, Yo, this is why we need to do this off the cameras, like how are you how's everything was, was going on and you good when you know, random, like just random checkups. And we know from the past week, where Naomi was her last name? See that's why that's why I finished my my

Mostafa Ghonim:

Osaka. sentences. Naomi Osaka got, she withdrew from the French Open, because she was she didn't want to talk to the media based off yo, for my mental health. I'm not a speaker. I'm not I'm not out here, trying to do all this. Like, for me, it's about tennis. And if you're making it about something that gets me super uncomfortable, getting me in front of all these cameras, like that's not good for my mental. And so for me, I have to remove myself, right. And some athletes, some influencers and celebrities are not given the privilege or don't have the confidence enough to withdraw to say no, to turn down this particular interview, this gig or whatever. And they actually put themselves in certain places that taps in and messes with their mental more than usual. And some people don't know how to deal with that. Because this, this whole phase of fame, this whole phase of viral this, everything that has been happening lately to some regular people, and clearly to celebrities is all new. We know based off stats that mental health was a serious conversation during the whole pandemic, you're telling people stay home, don't talk to nobody, you know, like, deal with and I know, I was very open in the beginning where I was struggling with some things because you can't run no more like you like you're in the crib, you got to think about some things, right? You it left right up down. Like you can't go nowhere. Like literally they can't, you'll get sick, you'll die. You know, so. So we can't be so quick to think yo with, with becoming viral with having this particular fame. Everything's going to be gravy, everything's going to be dope. And it's not because some don't have the ability, like I said to turn it off. And the only reason why I really like the pandemic was because I created a world that I can turn on and turn off. And this is real. Like when we were on the road, I was gaining a whole bunch of weight. I was stressed I was all this other stuff and I'm trying to figure it out. And I was in the end. This is not to downplay those who did have some struggles with the pandemic and everything like that. But I was like, in the best shape. I'm walking four or five miles a day, I'm chill. I have a certain eat thing. I have a certain when the camera goes on when the camera goes off when I go to sleep, like there was a certain kind of vibe with that and I'm almost a bit nervous to go back out in the world, right, because I didn't master that to where my mental could be okay with us traveling so much and not be feeling so overwhelmed compared to home like, like the guys have said in S2S podcast, home court advantage. 100%. I mean, and I'm gonna go back for just a second because I think this part is important. You know, just as it relates to not putting influencers on such a high pedestal because I do, I do really believe that. You know, I think for me, like I've always joked about this, maybe like back in the day, but I used to talk about the moment that I realized E was actually human. You know, it was like a couple years ago. And we were at a Game Changers event. And we had to drop him off at the airport after he was done speaking. And they just so happened that it was like, yo, can you drive you got a car? Oh, yeah, I could take them over. So I took him and it was myself, someone else next to me and then E in the backseat. And I'm glancing in the mirror like I'm glancing in the rearview mirror, I keep looking up, just kind of make sure he's good. I'm like, yo this is a big responsibility, I got to take E from one place to another, and I got to get him there safely. Right. So we're driving, and then I saw him yawn. I was like, E yawns?

Nicky Saunders:

Like he's tired?

Mostafa Ghonim:

He goes to sleep? Cuz like my mind, in my mind its ET the Hip Hop Preacher, the guy who's like motivating the world. And I was so caught up in that persona. And I didn't forget that our heroes are actually human, I forgot that our heroes are human. So I'm not saying don't show respect to people for the artistry, the craft and how they've mastered and carry themselves, because I absolutely have the utmost respect for E. But realizing that he was human, it actually brought us closer in connection and me being able to learn from him. So that was a big part of it, right? So for those of you out there who really look up to someone or idolize them, just remember that when the cameras are off, they too are human, right? That's a big note to make, you know, something big to make note of. The other side of it and not to go back to the pandemic. But man, y'all go back, I want to say go back, like, between November and January, like watch some of these lives or some of the podcast episodes and just kind of like watch my body language, right? I've never, I've never like claimed anything around mental health, because I know it's such a serious topic. And because I haven't been officially diagnosed or anything, I never want to claim that all right, even knock on wood till this day. But that was when I had just recently moved into my own place. And I realized that you can no longer point the finger at someone else for what you're feeling. When you're in a space by yourself, what you feel is a reflection of you. So what I when I was in that space by myself prior to that I could have pointed out my mom, I could have pointed out my aunt, I could have pointed at Nicky like you said when we were on the road, oh, this person did that this person did this. And you get to kind of protect your own ego like, Oh, no, I'm good everything. I'm the good guy. They're the bad people. Right? When I was in my own space, there was nobody to blame. So it was like, Oh, the bad things that you're feeling are actually a reflection of you. These are things that you got to work on. It's crazy, bro. And I was just like, wow, you got a lot of work to do my friend. You think that just because you're in a space where you're able to, you know, coach and help other people and speak and train and do all this stuff that you're you're a perfect human, you're not a perfect human like the opportunity doesn't automatically grant you access or status into perfect because perfect doesn't necessarily exist. Now I've always honored a pursuit of perfection like that drive to want to accomplish perfection. That's an honorary, that's an honorary pursue, but it doesn't exist. And being in the space by myself helped me to realize, okay, you got some work to do. So that that this like this, this whole episode, this whole conversation is really hitting home and bringing me back to that space. Because as I look at where I'm at now versus where I was, you know, just six months ago, or even five months ago is like, wow, I'm grateful is like, grateful for that realization, as tough as it is to start carrying the burden and taking full ownership and responsibility for where you are. It's the best thing that you can do for yourself. Because it's not easy to point back and say it's my fault. Like whatever I'm feeling is me it's not nobody else's responsibility.

Nicky Saunders:

Big facts, big facts. And And the thing is, yes, I know, we should have touched on this topic probably last month on Mental Health Month and all that great stuff, probably. But I think it's whenever the topic comes up, it should just be talked about, right. And it's just things that people really see. But all in all, understanding that our celebrities are influencers, the biggest brand that they're they're people to just like how Moose said. And so if they go through things, it's okay if you go through things. And just because you've reached a certain level of success that doesn't necessarily go away. Right? How are you preparing yourself for those particular times? How are you? when certain things go go up? You You go viral? You You know, you finally people have noticed you, you're finally at a certain point of success. How, are you protecting yourself from these particular moments? They're gonna happen. But how are you? At least for preparing for it? Those are one of the things and what I what I liked, that he said was Yo, we got to check up on each other more. And even for those, even for our listeners who are like, yo, you want me to check up on an influencer on a celebrity? Like, why not? Like, why not? Why not just check, yo, just want to check in, check how your mental is. You good? You probably won't read this. You know why? Because maybe they will. And when you're at that point, because I believe a lot of our listeners will right? When you get to that point its going to be refreshing. When maybe not even your closest people check up on you and be like, yo, you good. Because who was Oh man, I forgot who it was. But somebody with success. I don't. Don't Don't. Don't ask me who now, but was like, yo, it's rare that I get checked up on I'm so in the giving mode in the value mode that people expect me to always help them out and in which I love to do, but it's refreshing when somebody checks up on me. Like Yo, whoa, you know, um, you know, so don't don't forget to check up on people and prepare yourself for when those times happen. But let's get into some foolery real quick. You know change it up real quick. I have my hard work, dedication hat on. Yes. I've been very documented of saying I have been a very big Floyd fan. I don't know how I feel about Floyd the entertainer. But Floyd the boxer was a vibe and I bought everything TMT. But from a business man, right. He's still he still is king. What we have up on the screen for our listeners is how much Floyd and Logan Paul will be getting paid off of this fight that you have already seen or have already heard by the time this podcast drops. So Logan Paul will be getting expected to receive $250,000 base pay plus 10% of the pay per view sales of shares from the Mayweather vs. Paul fight that is happening or to had happened on Sunday. Right? Now Floyd, on the other hand, Floyd on the other hand, is getting a guaranteed 10 mil in base pay, right and a 50% pay per view shares. Okay. Understand, as we've covered Floyd before, he's probably has a take on the venue he probably had probably has a pay on the merchandise, you know, his dropping an NFT of course. He's dropping it and if t on that particular thing, and actually let me go show that real quick,

Floyd Mayweather:

Hard work and dedication and whatever you work in that you have to dedicate yourself to that craft or to whatever level you're trying to go to. I wanted to test my skills against the best fighters in the world. To give respect you must get respect. There was no limit to how far I can go.

Nicky Saunders:

So for our listeners, the NF T is pretty much showing all his 50 fights in a really dope animated way. Video vibes but Floyd is a genius. Floyd is a genius. Say what you want about this fight now we've gone over it before as far as a boxing fan, I'm still torn on it. But definitely taking advantage of this celebrity boxing right saying you know what? I'll come out for this. You give me this amount of money I'll come out for this right and and what we pulled out you know, like I said this this where they said the base pay is but I'm I'm assuming he's probably going to make like 50-60 mil off of this fight.

Mostafa Ghonim:

More. Yeah I think its gonna be more right because they're saying estimated 200 million on pay per view and he's gonna get 50% of that. So off the bat he's at 110 Yeah, and we know how he rolls with all his other stuff. I think a typical payday for Floyd anytime he comes out to fight although this isn't a traditional boxing match, but it's gonna edge close to 200 million.

Nicky Saunders:

Crazy crazy and got a clip of what he says to people that you know, maybe is torn like me. It made a little bit more sense when he spoke on it.

Interviewer:

Dude, you're making a killing fighting these guys after your decorated career. This is all what is this gravy for you're like how do you view this chapter of your life?

Floyd Mayweather:

Okay, I guess the boxing the boxing was the mashed potatoes. And I guess these guys now is the gravy. Absolutely. So its fun. And I was talking to the media. I was talking to the people letting them know that. Remember Floyd Mayweather, I retired from boxing. But I didn't retire from entertainment. And I didn't retire from making money. I guess they thought that since I stopped fighting, I mean, the top guys in the sport of boxing at my age because remember, I retired at almost 40 years old. They thought that I was going to go home, kick my feet up, turn gray, get fat, pick up get fat pick up a bunch of weight.

Nicky Saunders:

So I don't know if I was expecting him to get fat and all that other stuff. I did expect Floyd to just become the businessman. I didn't expect him to do still the entertainment. Right. But what's cool is that he still finds a way to love what he does and get paid for it. You know, he mastered when he was boxing, he mastered the entertainment part. He always got under people's skin. He knew how to document and he knew you know what would bring the crowd in. That's a craft. Right? The boxing part is clearly needed to make sure you dominate that space. But being able to become a personality to stand out on a sport that doesn't necessarily have personalities. Right? They just have fighters you are paid to fight. That's it. Right? And he clearly mastered No I am. I'm something more than a fighter. You're going to know me as a businessman. You're going to know me, as you want to call me greedy, cool. You gonna know me for the money. You're gonna know me for the back and forth that I do like I am Floyd Mayweather, I am not just a boxer, right? And we went over him the very first episode. All right, shout out to all our day ones. But, um, he, he makes it seem as if you know what, no matter what you do, there is still a part of your craft that you can go on for as long as you want to do it. Right, there's the main part of your brand, there's a main part of your business that you're known for. But at the, at the end of the day, there is a another part that you could probably milk a little bit longer, right, the second phase of your your brand, the second phase of possible different revenue streams that maybe you couldn't focus on so much in the main one. Because you've had to solidify that number one spot solidify the top tier spot, oh, I'm in this industry for a reason. But when that's all said and done, and you're up top, and you, you'd like he did bow out gracefully, with no blemish on his record or anything. Well, let me take this part that is very important as well, that can pretty much go into all industries, I can act like the villain, I can do these business moves here, and they're all over the place. And still, now I'm in and now I'm in the NFT world now, you know, he's doing a pop up shop for jewelry, like now I'm getting into that because people know me for my jewelry. So might as well make money from that, you know, um, clearly when he was a boxer, he started Mayweather promotions, and, you know, still making money off of that from other boxers, as well as this is going to be under Mayweather promotions as well. So looking at this, I'm learning. Okay, this is my main craft. But let's not, let's not negate what ingredients is also needed to make this main craft good for this point. And what are those that, after this is done or after this season this this top tier season is is done, what else can I expand on? And for him, he's expanding on the entertainment vibes. I can't knock that.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah. Yeah, nice. Definitely an intelligent businessman, man. I mean, when you really look at what he's accomplished, and how he's setting up much of his success, the man is brilliant, you know, you can't knock that. I feel some type of ways and kind of similar to what you said, as a boxing fan, or someone who enjoys a sport for how some of these rulings are being prepared. Like, for example, I don't know if you saw that. But they put it out I think on SportsCenter yesterday that there are no judges. Oh, yeah, there are no judges. No scorecards, I think the only way to win is like a knockout. Or it's a draw. So it's like, Alright, it's already an exhibition. And again, some people might be like, no, at someone who loves to win, you're going to protect everything possible to make sure you never put any sort of like scratch on that record. But it's like, I don't know how I feel about that. Just for the sake of competition, I would love to feel like oh, no, there is some sort of, there's something on the line for him to protect. It's not just a complete game. So you know, different ways to look at it. But overall, I think when it comes to business the man has definitely, really exhausted I'm always amazed that how strong his team is, because even as I'm watching that video, I'm looking at some of the guys standing behind him and I'm like, yo, some of these people have been by his side for like 10 or 15 years, you know, I'm saying even the body guards, which is rare to see. So it's really dope to see someone's team stand by their side for that long. And you know, help them to do the things that he's doing. So every time I see that I'm always mindful, I think of man, this person definitely has a good team because he can't do all of that on his own which is which is incredible to watch.

Nicky Saunders:

Big facts. By the time you you hear this, I probably did watch it. We probably will be talking about it on the YouTube live every Tuesday 8pm Eastern. Um, but there's this and we don't really talk too much which I want to make a transition to about maybe some of the current celebrities, influencers, hip hop artists that are making really big waves. There was one. Definitely last year that was on the charts for like 18 weeks consecutive number one, his album hit number one, and I'm talking about Roddy Rich, right? I can't even say it was too many "r's". Roddy Rich. That song "The Box". You heard it everywhere. Right? Um, but he did an interview with Nick Cannon recently. And he talked about losing the Grammys, and not only one nomination, but all six. Right. And I brought this because, you know, we we see people on the charts and on the rise and everything like that. And then they go ghost a little bit, you know, and you want to figure out why, and what gets them back going. So he talks about the loss of the Grammys, and a certain individual that inspired him when it wants to come up, because this is just now the new vibe. This is I mean, I'm just saying. But can we talk about Moose in the dark and the light and the dark?

Mostafa Ghonim:

You see me coming in like light and dark often because I'm using natural light today. And

Nicky Saunders:

Oh, wait, wait. Let's get this right. So hold on, hold on.

Mostafa Ghonim:

There it is.

Nicky Saunders:

There it is. Shout out to technology. Okay, people. This is why we love you. Shout out to technology.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Here go the cloud moving and the sun about to start shining again, its just back and forth.

Nicky Saunders:

And this is and people random random content creation tip. Use regular light, don't use natural light. You're depending on God too much.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Gotta have faith but be mindful.

Nicky Saunders:

You gotta have. You gotta have faith. You've seen it on on other episodes. If you've watched the YouTube where mine was a little crazy. Moose was a little bit better. Mine was not so much. This is why we always do it at night. But let's get into this clip.

Roddy Rich:

The Grammy thing right? Yeah, we was. You know, I got nominated for six. I think six. So I'm telling everybody like everybody I know. I'm like, Man, you know, Jay Z got nominated like eight or nine times, I think one time in New York and lost every one. Just when you put in, like me see, I don't do it for money. So it's like me, rapping, I'm just not gonna rap for no reason. So it's just like, when I lost all that I was just like, I put a lot of time I put a lot of music. And I you know, damn. So I just sat back. I was talking to my [folks] like, man, I don't think I want to, I'm gonna chill back. I'm gonna kick back on music for a little while seeing Jay at the Grammys. The first thing he asked me was when you dropping music. And at the time, it didn't really hit me. You know, it didn't really hit me. But later on, I just thouht of the power of that like, you know, like I manifested, like, just talking about how, you know, they did him one year and it happened to me, right? And the same guy that I was saying, you feel me like this happened to end up asking me like when I'm gonna put out more music.

Nicky Saunders:

Can we talk about the power of words?

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, that's crazy.

Nicky Saunders:

What's your take Moose?

Mostafa Ghonim:

That's crazy. I mean, I think the one thing that we always talked about this, but number one, you never know who's watching or listening clearly, right? Because you could be an artist out there who's like, Oh, yeah, you know, I don't know, maybe it's not cut out for me. And then one of the greatest of all times is actually or has been listening to your stuff and is curious to know when are you releasing more music? Or when are you putting out the next product? Or when are you making some upgrades to your service? And you're like, what, you guys have been tracking me this whole time, man, you just never know who's watching or listening or following your stuff. So that's the very first thing that comes to mind. So I think that in its own has a tremendous amount of impact because, you know, he's still going till this day and I think that enough is a noble pursuit. So yeah, that's that. That's the very thing, the biggest thing that comes to mind.

Nicky Saunders:

Yeah, for me Like, like I said, power words like, he instantly thought, yo, Jay Z, lost all of his Grammy nominations. He was in New York, and the Grammys were in New York, like he lost all of it. And when you speak that into existence, like, I'm telling you the power of words, but the fact that he was pretty much dominated 2020, the way he did, and how sometimes we almost look at it from a standpoint, like, yo, it's almost, it's almost in the bag, it's almost in the bag, I should, I should get this, you know, um, regardless, if it's feeling a little bit entitled or whatever, like your hard work is, is finally going to be seen worldwide. Because once you get those types of awards, it brings a, your price goes up, me, your price goes up a bit, right. And for him to get nominated six times, and get nothing, I believe anybody could get very discouraged. I don't I don't think that's wrong to say that, you know, my man was down and didn't feel like doing music too much. But the same person that he said last nine times, then goes and checks him and be like, yo, when's the music coming out? You have to look at it on this is why another reason why Jay Z is the G.O.A.T. Another reason, like and Roddy Rich just showed that like any other artists, not given the proper guidance, right, and not given the proper drive will fall back. Like did Jay Z when he lost all nine, did he have somebody to be like, yo, when's the music coming out? We don't know. We don't necessarily know. But we know, when he did lose all that, he still continued to come out with music, he still dominated the rap game, in his in his era, and still a little bit now. But definitely in his era, he dominated regardless of what the awards would say. Because to Jay, and a little bit of Rich from what he's saying it's not necessarily about these awards, you know, it, especially the Grammys hasn't necessarily favored hip hop, and too much, you know, it for the longest it wasn't even put out on TV. And then finally, you know, as the popularity grew, but you can still see with a with The Weekend, when he wasn't even part of it, how some of these awards are a little bit out of tune. So you can't really put too much weight to if they recognize you more than maybe your fans, more than maybe the true why of why you started doing what you do. And I don't want I don't want people to stay focus on necessarily the music, but that's what we're talking about. But more of we may feel as if we put so much work into something, and we're not getting the right recognition. But then we have to look at the source of the recognition. And is it really created by the culture is really created by who we're doing this for? Or is this just some manmade situation that we're hoping to get recognized from, but it didn't. And I posted the other day, the importance of creating your own platform and the importance of being able to provide creative platform that provides opportunity for others that weren't necessarily provided to you. So for some of these artists, or even if you're tapping into this and connecting it to yourself, like for those who feel as if they should have been recognized for something that they've done or they should have gotten certain should be on certain platforms should be with certain people, right? create that for your own. Like, I would not be surprised if a Jay Z, or some of these newer rappers come up, and they create an award system that properly recognizes the work that properly has the right people who are in tune with that particular industry, right? And create something for that. Now, some people may downplay is like, well, that's a ripoff of the Grammys or, but we as the people give too much weight to what other people create, and we haven't created our own. So it's so important to not necessarily I mean, we're going to get discouraged here and there. Absolutely. But what is the solution? What are we doing to create a platform to create a vibe to for others not to feel the way we have? Or the have other people, given the right recognition because we weren't given the right recognition when we were coming up, like what is the change that we're trying to create? Now, from, from the different angle of he was like, yo, now, but he just dropped a new single. And he started to make music more and more. What that shows is, who do you have on your corner, that regardless of what you have going on what mentor what big bro or sis that you have, that is going to have you to keep going when you don't want to. That's a big thing as well. Like, don't feel as if you should do this on your own. And if you are doing this on your own surround yourself, surround yourself with people who are going to push you, we've spoke about it in other episodes, that's going to check you right, on things that you should be doing, regardless of certain outcomes. And so that's why I picked this. Also Roddy Rich is a whole introvert, okay. I don't know, if you were listening or seeing that particular part. But he, he was struggling, he was struggling with the interview. And if you go on YouTube, and you look up the full video with Nick Cannon and himself, my man doesn't do interviews very well, because he's very, like just shelled off. And how he's still articulated that we got to give him props for, right and understanding that as a certain status, you're going to have to get in front of certain people, sometimes you might as well pick people you feel a little bit more comfortable with. But, you know, that's why some of these rappers don't go and some of the artists period, don't do interviews because they're low key introverts. They're low key introverts, but you know, that's the importance of getting with somebody you feel comfortable with. But for for me, at the end of the day, what what are you creating? What are you creating, to be able to avoid this situation from happening? If it is not about the money and the recognition, then what are you creating to make sure that this doesn't happen again? I'm big on that. That's why I had to hit this one because I was just like yeah, we have to changed it.

Mostafa Ghonim:

Yeah, this whole episode has been a reflection on wins and lessons you know what I'm saying like other people's wins, our wins, other people's lessons, our lessons. So I hope for everyone listening and watching, I hope this was that very same experience for you right? Something to give you an opportunity to sit back and reflect on some of your wins, some of your lessons and obviously learn a lot. That's always the intention for us but nah this was dope Nicks.

Nicky Saunders:

So, once again, leave leave a review people. We love the reviews. I said I would find out that other platforms Podchaser is right. So you go on podchaser.com, leave us a review over there, right? I guess it's a new platform that you could leave reviews. Um, but as well as Apple podcast, any other place that you listen to, we appreciate it. Follow us on Nicky and Moose on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, getting some, some vibes on on LinkedIn. Yeah, got LinkedIn as a vibe you know, I

Mostafa Ghonim:

Got the Linked n vibes going? put it on my, my profile. I am a host in the Resonance Network for Nicky and Moose like that having a whole title. Shout out to my my LinkedIn people. I'm still trying to figure that thing out. Because that used to be a whole business and I'm not stuffy like that. But it changed, it changed people. It changed. Um, but Moose, as the lighting is good, final words. Yeah, come on od. Hey, listen, I read omething this week that said he difference between who you re and who you want to be, is hat you do. One more time the ifference between who you are ight now and who you want to be s what you do. Much of what we alked about on today's episode s whatever is missing in your ife, create it. It's the action ou got to take.