Episode 20 - The World Of Podcasting With Shawn Anthony

Nicky Saunders: 0:00

What's poppin'? What's poppin'? What's poppin'? Welcome to Nicky and Moose! I'm Nicky! That's Moose! 'Sup Moose?

Mostafa Ghonim: 0:08

What up y'all?

Nicky Saunders: 0:09

Listen, it is our 20th Episode! The 20th Episode. And on this one I had to bring somebody close to me. He happens to be a celebrity podcaster. Like he interviews the tops of the tops alright? The greats of the greats. I happened to be on his show one time. But we gone really talk about the journey of podcasting. Is it good for brands and businesses? Is it good for you? Should we continue? Did we think about quitting? I don't know. We just go and talk about it. What do you what do you feel Moose?

Mostafa Ghonim: 0:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this is dope, man. I think it's a it's always cool. Like, the whole concept of this show two main things that you're going to walk away with right? Understanding the blueprint of those who came before you or those who are successful, and also paying tribute to those while they're still here. Right? So I think this is somebody that we're gonna be able to do both with him on the show. So yeah, I'm excited!

Nicky Saunders: 1:14

His name is Shawn Anthony. Let's get into this intro.

Jaymie Jordan: 1:21

Two kids from Queens, cut from a different cloth. Now joining forces helping you to elevate your personal brand. Yeah I'm talking about Nicky and Moose! Bringing you a never before seen perspective into the mindset, the mentality, the behaviors, the driving force, but more importantly, the stories behind the people and brands that you know and love the most.

Nicky Saunders: 1:49

So you already know what time it is. It is the review of the week. All right. This one is from My203. All right, My203, we appreciate you. It says "Nicky and Moose..." but the other one got cut off so we're gonna keep moving. "I love this podcast; they bring positive energy, mixed with fun lightheartedness, and also inspire through storytelling. I love the airhorn! -Inspired by these stories, God is great! -Mymy" I'm getting better at these.

Mostafa Ghonim: 2:29

Wow! Shout out on the read. Ok I see you.

Nicky Saunders: 2:31

I'm getting better on these reviews. Shout out Look, to be honest, real quick, real quick. Um, I normally try to get like the most recent one and everything like that. But the most recent one shout out to the one that says "I'm a kid from Chicago". Shout out to you, to you. You know who you are. You wrote a novel, and you really tried to intentionally mess me up. you Oh, yeah.

Mostafa Ghonim: 2:53

They was trying to trip you up. Yeah they was trying to trip you up. They catching on.

Nicky Saunders: 2:56

Right. No, I'm not gonna read a novel. You. You gotta give me like, long words. .short, though. Okay, let's let' do that. Okay, I just, he's like, I gotta show you it was like really trying to trip me out. But let's get into this Um, first Moose, How you fe ling that it's the 20th epi

Mostafa Ghonim: 3:16

This is special an. This is special. We say very 10th one right? So 10, 20, 30, 40 and beyond. We're gon a celebrate big so it's cool to till be here, man. I think

Nicky Saunders: 3:25

Listen, listen, let me let me bring in my guest.

Shawn Anthony: 3:25

Let's get it! Listen, I'm excited to be here. we're o Let him introduce himself. Um, he's gonna do some name drops that is out of this world. Hold on, hold on. Let me bring in Sha I mean, I made it to the Nicky and Moose Show. You guys are crushing it doing your thing. Let's light this thing up, man. I'm ready. I'm ready to talk and ready to tell everybody what's going on.

Nicky Saunders: 3:49

Listen, first off, let's start off with what is your podcast? What are some of the names? Just some of the names ? Don't hurt them too much. But, like, what are some of the names?

Shawn Anthony: 4:02

Yeah, so so you said I'm a celebrity podcaster. I've interviewed some crazy people. We're talking about from Grant Cardone, to Ed Mylett, to Beyonce's dad, Matthew Knowles. New York Times bestselling authors like Seth Godin, Grammy Award winners like Estelle, and you name it. And what I do now is I have entrepreneurs build a brand and I'm known for being

the host of a top podcast: 4:22

"School's Over Now What?". That's me in a nutshell.

Nicky Saunders: 4:28

Listen, hold on first off, extra air horns, right? But low key, he was one of the main reasons why we have Nicky and Moose. Right? So real quick side story. I jumped on his podcast and everything like that, but I kept seeing him like teach other people, right? And so I was like, you is it time? Like nah. And here's my Leo, pilot, black and Puerto Rican side that had too much pride to ask him anything. I didn't ask him for a single thing, but I was like, let me just watch what he's doing. And I was like, Man, you could just ask him, it's Shawn. We talk like on a reg now. Like, but I didn't ask him anything. So, first lesson of the day, if you know somebody who does something that you want to do, just just ask them, I'm just, I'm just saying.

Shawn Anthony: 5:23

Always look she always can ask me, I'm here. I think what's so crazy, I'm pretty sure we'll get into it is that podcasting changed the game for me, man. It changed my life. And I just like pouring into people and seeing them do some epic stuff. And it attracts everybody, you name it.

Nicky Saunders: 5:37

So so I'm gonna start off with one question, then we're gonna have a little conversation. So what made you, let's start off with basics. What made you start?

Shawn Anthony: 5:49

Yeah, I think you got to pay attention to what people are saying to you when you're younger. For me, I just started connecting the dots. So when I was 14, my life changed. My brother went off to college, he became this big nightlife party promoter. So at 14, I was going down to these parties and North Carolina A&T and I was partying with huge hip hop artists like Rick Ross, Young Jeezy. I was standing on couches with bottles, all the crazy things. But the reason why I tell you that is because at the age of 14, I was learning how he was networking, communicating with big names, you know, getting that people excited about coming to events, and I started throwing my own parties. So I threw a party and I was 14, for you know, high school kids that were graduating. And what's so crazy about that is I made $6,000 at 14 on my first party. So I was like, oh, like the light bulb went off Nicky and I just wanted to go to college. But I didn't want to go to college for no education. I want to go to college for the bag. And I went to West Salem State University, shout out to my HBCUs. And I just got well known as a party promoter. And a cool, crazy thing that led me to podcasting is that I noticed everybody was just graduating, they were just leaving school, they were going off, they didn't know what to do. I took that same mindset of how to network and communicate. I actually went corporate. I was promoted six times in four years. And I took a job that took me so far away from my family. One day I almost fell asleep. And I pulled over to a Dunkin Donuts gas station and shout out to them and them espresso shots. But I stumbled across this weird looking purple app. This weird looking purple app, the podcast app, and so crazy to me not thinking about it because like, like when I click that app, I started listening to like Evan Carmichael, Chris "Drama" Pfaff, Ed Mylett...I say these names because all these guys have been on my show. But I noticed something real quickly. They didn't look like me. And I knew there was a tribe of people that they couldn't resonate with that I probably could. And I was just ready to tell my story. And that's what made me want to create a podcast "School's Over Now What?".

Nicky Saunders: 7:53

So now I got a question for Moose. Now I got a question for Moose. Moose, um, did you ever think that you would have a podcast? Like, I have a video and I'm going to pull it up for those people who are watching on on YouTube. I'm gonna pull up this video of when we were in Michigan, and he was in the S2S Podcast room. My man had like big headphones. It was just like, oh my God. I was like, podcast coming soon. He like, yo, hold on. Wait, do ya'll hear me? Do y'all...what's good?

Mostafa Ghonim: 8:28

That was my first time in a real live studio like that. So so first off, to answer your question, no. I never thought so. You know and Shawn, to your point, like that whole concept of a podcast. I think when you're not connected to that, or just anything in general, you always make it bigger than what it is. Right? And to see how things how far things have come now, especially with recently with COVID. And everything exploding. I was just like, Man, this is awesome. Like, I'm in the studio, I got the headphones on. I'm speaking and I can hear myself and I'm like, Whoa, this is dope. But yeah no, I never I never would have thought we'd be 20 episodes in what probably less than a year later or something like that.

Nicky Saunders: 9:08

Whoo! Right! So okay, so from your standpoint, right? What is some of the benefits that you see, like businesses and brands getting into the podcast... now that you're in it and you're like paying attention to more, like, what are some of those kind of like benefits?

Mostafa Ghonim: 9:29

Yeah, from what I'm noticing man is that every everyone can be a business now. I think the beauty of the internet is that there's so much information out there, that everyone now has the key to get an LLC, an S corp to start a business, to get a product or a service or website. Just the basics to collect some payments and go out there. So with so many businesses, basic economics tells you that competition is going to go on the rise. So what's going to make you stand out then maybe even the newbie or the veteran? And it's forums like this. It's the opportunity to have open dialog and maybe like Shawn says, share a little bit of your story. Connect with people who you normally wouldn't connect with. So that now that your customer gets to know you a little bit better, they're more likely to not just do business with you, but stay in business with you, because there's something more than just what they see on the outside, which is your price, your branding, right? Like, all of that stuff is great. But I think now, as they get to know you, they build a relationship with you as a person, not just what you provide. Now you have a loyal customer, you know, for as long as you're in business. So this is one of the benefits that I'm seeing with these forums. And it's also opening up other opportunities. So that's actually a question I want to ask for Shawn. I'll circle back on that in a little bit. But that's definitely one of the main benefits that I'm seeing.

Nicky Saunders: 10:47

Shawn, same question.

Shawn Anthony: 10:50

And I think it's giving people the prominent voice. Like people are becoming prominent voices in spaces that they didn't even know they should be in. And I think that's, that's the key. That's the catch. And I'm pretty sure we'll get into it. There's so many different things coming out now. Whether it's social media apps that people are looking at, and they're just not realizing the power in their voice. You know, I'd be really interested to know some, some podcast stats since COVID has happened, how many people have just jumped into podcasting? Because I know what it's done for businesses.

Nicky Saunders: 11:26

I mean, we happen to be one. But...

Mostafa Ghonim: 11:27

We're one of them.

Nicky Saunders: 11:29

I feel like Moose has some stats for us.

Mostafa Ghonim: 11:31

Yeah, no, it's crazy, man. So I looked this up. 850 new pod...excuse me, 850,000 new podcasts, have come live since January of 2020. So just in the last 12 or 13 months, nearly a million new shows have aired.

Nicky Saunders: 11:54

And we happen to be one. We just happen to be one.

Mostafa Ghonim: 11:58

We're one of the 850,000.

Nicky Saunders: 12:01

We are part of the statistics out here in the streets.

Shawn Anthony: 12:09

You know, you know, you know, what's crazy. I think what happened right? We look at COVID, we look at all those things I think so many people that were speakers, so many people that were brands, so many people that are normally on stage and said okay, how do I continue to get my message out? And I think that's what really excited them to jump on a podcast wave and really make an impact literally from their homes.

Nicky Saunders: 12:29

Listen, I don't want to take over all the questions. Go ahead Moose because I have like 19 in my head like for both of y'all. I don't even want to answer nothing.

Mostafa Ghonim: 12:38

I'm still I'm feeling like this is a real high energy episode right now. We a couple minutes in this is feeling very high energy today. I'm loving it. Yeah. Shawn, let me ask you this man. I love in the intro. You said that you did interviews with people who don't typically look like you. You know, where it's easy for you to stay with the crowd that is like yours. Talk about some of the benefits and even the reason why you would say, you know what, I'm going to go outside of my comfort zone, go to another community and and look to spark relationship there.

Shawn Anthony: 13:08

I think is a great question, man. I think it's so funny, I look at podcasting. And I think about Okay, what makes you different, right? Like, I always think like, what makes me different? Man in the podcast game, I really moved like a rapper. And the reason why I say that is because I was throwing parties, like literally I was throwing parties for almost a decade. And I knew what can make me stand out is the diversity factor. If I wanted to cater to a certain market, you got to think about it. I'm the guy that will come out of the club and get you to skip the VIP lounge or bring the artists in the back door. I know how to theme an actual party. So that's like titling an episode. If I wanted to cater just to the African American community, I can easily do that. But I think what made me want to be a little bit more different is I wanted to get access to people we normally don't get access to. And I think the benefit of that is when I'm in those rooms, and when I'm in those spaces, I can see it even in their eyes where they're just like oh snap, like Yo, like, like you said, it's an energy that rubs off. And I think the biggest thing that helps me is that when I'm around these people is dude I don't dim my light. And when I mean I don't dim my light, it means that I'm coming up full force, like I'm coming up full force, where you just, you're gonna have to respect it. And I think it also gives my people access on their intellect and their insights, which I think has been a game changer for my people in general.

Mostafa Ghonim: 14:28

Wow.

Nicky Saunders: 14:29

I love what you said about that, because I think you still are like touching our community by giving that information. Like, just like you said, like I think still people like of the minority of the black community and everything like that is still going to be attracted because this is some of the information that we don't necessarily necessarily get access to. So I think my question to you is like, What...How do I put this? There are some big names that you have, but I think a lot of people when it comes to this podcasting game, that that fear of asking that fear of taking that leap to get into some people's emails, DMS, things like that, spending money just to get rejected whatever it was like, What...How did you overcome that fear to get some of the top names that you have?

Shawn Anthony: 15:35

It's like a domino effect. It's like so I literally like the first first three episodes, I was interviewing like the cool people from our school, somebody that may have started off a business. But there was something inside of me that said, shoot, higher, right? Like shoot higher. And the first big fish that I landed that changed the game and direction on the show is at episode seven. I kept watching this show like on Bravo, like, I kept watching New York Million Dollar Listing. And there was this guy by the name of Ryan Serhant, I'm like, Yo, I, I just like him. I like I like how his swag is, his aura, how he's making these deals. And I noticed he, I noticed he was shooting a book, he was getting ready to drop a book, he was also shooting a vlog, and he wanted the vlog to get hot. So when I noticed that, you know, I pitched him. I said, Listen, I got this show, "School's Over Now What?". You know, this is how I think you should be on the show. These are the type of people I want to see impact the show. And he said yes. And I want you to get this from this conversation is that sometimes people will tell you yes. And you just got to take that yes and don't try to overdo it. And because even though you might go back in the past and say, okay, maybe I could have done this a little bit higher. You got an opportunity. You got to take the opportunity got right now move with it. So I did the interview with them. It became a hit. And the reason why it became a hit is because while he's talking, he did the interview while he was traveling with his driver. And he had his phone on speakerphone. So he's phones on speakerphone and it's on YouTube, and I'm asking him the best questions I got. Like I'm jumping in the bag. I'm like, Listen, I want the Ryan Serhant on Bravo. I want the Ryan Serhant that's on the couch with a white t shirt and... ice cream. Found out that was his favorite ice cream, right? I just said it to him. His whole demeanor changed fam. He just he just went to like a relaxed space and just kept going gem after gem. He gave me like this viral moment, he put it up on YouTube. People asked who's asking him those questions. I left a comment. I wake up the next morning he pinned the comment on YouTube. And I had over 75,000 downloads and that was just episode seven.

Mostafa Ghonim: 17:31

Wow. Wow. I don't know if y'all heard that. That's key though. Shawn, you said that. You showed him all of the ways it can benefit him. And you weren't necessarily I'm not saying that? You know that you obviously you did it now. But you weren't necessarily doing it already. It's like, yo, here's my vision of who I can, you know who I want to have this the type of vibe I want to create, you know, like you sold him on the vision. Right? And also you told him about the benefits. That's a major key. Would you say that? Where does that come from? Like, how did you kind of conceptualize that? Because I think that that's gonna make you stand out.

Shawn Anthony: 18:07

Yeah, you got the questions, man. I remember like it was yesterday, man. It was like, no one's ever asked me that question. It just it just kind of gets me excited because it puts you back to like, what did I get that from? A couple of things come to my mind, man. I remember it was 2009 hours. I was just becoming a sophomore in college. There was this guy who was the number one NBA draft pick. His name was John Wall. And you guys heard of John Wall. So John Wall, and I found out... I had a street team fam. I had I had like 35 college kids beating down doors throwing parties for me. And so I found out one of the girls on my street team, her boyfriend was like his right hand. And I remember realizing that and I reached out to you know, her guy Todd at the time. Todd, still running, still runs with him. Shout out to Todd. And I said, yo, Todd, I got this party I want to throw,John Wall. I know he just got the number one NBA draft pick last month, but I want to throw his first, you know, official birthday party here in Greensboro, North Carolina. And I remember being bold enough to make that ask. But I also remember sitting at a HBCU, at a cafeteria, in a table with a guy who just got this millions of dollars a contract, and I'm a college kid. I remember sliding him a paper to sign that he would be at the party. So I look back at moments in my life where I was bold enough to ask and I just repurposed those moments and keep trying to get again i think that's that's for me. That's that's what makes me excited and bold enough to just shoot my shot at people.

Nicky Saunders: 19:40

Sheesh! Actually, here's a question for Moose real quick. Moose, did you have a fear right... this actually for both of you, but did you have a fear that the podcast would not work and how did you kind of get over that fear if you did?

Mostafa Ghonim: 20:04

Yeah, yeah. Shoot you said the word feared. Yo, truthfully, I was scared. I'm still scared, right? Fear is just, quite frankly, is one of the things that I deal with on the regular. But I think I get over it by running with people like yourself, you know? It's like, fear is not necessarily something that's talked about. And I realized, because we have a cool relationship too, that's not to say that it's not there. It's just like, yo, it's there, so what? You know, like, we're doing it in spite of. It is what it is like, let's just go see. If we fail, let's learn something and change it. And, and that's why I started off by saying, like, Shawn, I started to see like, yo, none of this stuff is a big deal. Like being in the studio, you might be like, Wow... it's not, it's really not that. If you can find the audacity, I used to say, Be authentic. Now I say you gotta have the audacity to be like you said bold to be yourself. So it's like, yo, if you can have the audacity to be yourself, show up on camera, cut the mics on and have the conversation. And for folks like myself who gain confidence through being prepared, then then you good like, if you've done your homework, you're good. So So yeah, Nicks I definitely was I was scared. I'm still scared. But just running with the right people, man. It's just like, you get your reps in. And then your confidence kind of outgrows the fear.

Nicky Saunders: 21:26

Makes sense. What's up? What's up, Shawn?

Shawn Anthony: 21:29

Yeah, for me, I think it wasn't like a fear. It was more like, yo, how can I stay consistent? I think I think people I think people when you say you're gonna do something people kind of wait, you see, you gonna fall off at some point. How consistent are you going to be? I think so that's what I was really more nervous about. Just was that, you know? Just having this conversation, it makes me think about things that help me overcome fear. Right? And that people ask me all the time, how do you keep getting people on your show? There's a lot of sorry, there's a lot of people that have gotten on my show, not only off recommendations, but there's also a lot of people I got on my show, because I've had see celebrities talk about how was it being on my show. Being you know, young, young, in my party days, my brother was he was with all these different artists, he would literally have me chase down artists, I was at a point where security would get ready, like throw me off like an SUV, chasing down like a phone just to get them to say something on camera that will then later on turn into promo. Literally, I know now, I'm connecting the dots as I'm talking to y'all. I got celebrities doing the same thing. So I think it's just crazy. You know, just realizing things that you did in the past, whatever you're doing and realizing that, you know, there's a reason why you're doing it, and it'll pay off later on in the future.

Nicky Saunders: 22:45

Can I have an honest conversation, though? Does podcasting like have an end? Right? Cuz so like, when I'm thinking about, like, our show anybody show really like, and you look at the top people, they've been doing it for like 6 years, right? Seven years, they have 300 episodes on this joint. They have another 400 over here. Some people are at 1000 and I'm like...so for me, I'm a goal driven type person, right? So for me, I already said yo, I'm doing this for about, you know, six, seven, right? But then is there really an end to it? Like what is what is your take on that? Because I really am like, yo, is this something that will always be part of us? Like are we going to be podcasters for life? Like I'm cool with it but I just want to know is that why some people drop off because they can't see the end?

Shawn Anthony: 23:52

Yeah, yeah, I think so people drop off because they don't know what they're doing the podcast long term like I think that people that you see that are here for six years, they turn the podcast to a business and I think that's key

Nicky Saunders: 24:08

Bring that back. Bring that back.

Shawn Anthony: 24:10

They turn a turn a podcast into a business that's the only reason why they doing it 6 years. Like with the podcast, listen I've been doing podcasting since June of 2018. I reach the three year mark in a c uple of months and it becomes a business for "Schools Over Now hat?" when University star cutting a check for me. They ike hold on, wait. Switch this up, hold on, what are you doing ere? You know, cuz people alway gonna go to schools. So, I w s like hold up, wait, what we do ng? You know what I'm saying? think that's that's when it started turning turn into a business. And I think now it j st will constantly keep evolving. And I will hopefully t lk about it, but I think Clubh use is g

Nicky Saunders: 24:54

Hey, listen. First off, we're gonna get into what he's doing on Clubhouse and everything. like that and the event that he has comeing, but let's go... I had another question. I'm just gonna hog this. Nevermind, go ahead Moose before I hog it. I promise you.

Mostafa Ghonim: 25:10

I'm actually gonna ask this to both of you as well, man, like, for individuals like yourself who are almost like natural born marketers and branders right? Like, Shawn, you mentioned multiple times, like Yo, I just kind of knew how to capture someone's attention to show them the benefits. And oftentimes, you're doing it in something that's not yet cool, right? Like, for whatever it is, like even with our show Nicks, like I don't know, who had similar idea to kind of twist though flight assessment with personal brands and business. Right, Shawn, with what you're doing, again, that diversity piece, it's not necessarily something that's popular. For each of you guys, what do you think are some of the elements that makes that take something that's not popular that's unknown, to start growing on people? What are some of those elements that's like, yo, yep, it's happening. Because again, you talk about the inconsistency. I think some people stop before they gain, you know, they really persuade people to buy into the idea.

Shawn Anthony: 26:11

Yeah, I think I think I think the question is, you know, what's stopping some of these people from...I want to reframe this, so I can get your question, right. The question is, what's stopping people right?

Mostafa Ghonim: 26:23

Nah, like, think about more so from a marketing and branding side. How do you... like what do you guys do to make something that may not be necessarily popular or viral, how do you start, you know, I'm saying, like, introduce it, that it grows on people? They're like, Yo, this is dope.

Shawn Anthony: 26:39

Fam, fam, you got to be yourself. You gotta be you gotta be you gotta be yourself. I think, like, here's the thing. There's a, there's a billion guys that are probably teaching people how to do things with podcasts, how to start a podcast. I know a lot of them because their my friends, but I'll be honest with you, they white. Or, like I said in the very beginning, they don't look like me. But here's the thing. None of that matters. What matters is who you are. People buy into the person. And I think if you're authentic being you, there's something about you that it's gonna relate to, somebody where their just going to become a raving fan. They either always hanging around you. Or at some point in their life, they knew somebody like you that they just would welcome with open arms. And I think that's the key man. And I think when a lot of people hear me speak, that's the separate thing. That's the thing like, you know what I could be with anybody. But fam soon as you started chatting, I'm like, yo I roll with him, you know? So I think that's the, that's the key is being authentically who you are.

Nicky Saunders: 27:31

I'm gonna say the energy that you give it, right? So like, if you're giving minimum or no energy to something like Yep, I got a hat. I just made some new hats. You should have a hat. They're like, yeah, maybe, you know? Maybe I'll get it when I get to it, right? But if you're like, you see this freshness? I don't think you understand how many hats I have. And how big of a deal that I'm wearing this one. You see, it got Nicky and Moose on it, it got Deeper Than The Brand. It got all these... like, it's customized. It's exclusive. It's only made for a few. I'm not selling this for real. This is just an example. Don't you think you're gonna have this hat. But it's the energy that you give something that is believable. Right? Um, I know yesterday, well, depending on when you hear this, this may not be yesterday anymore. But um, I did a live about one of the summits that I'm going to be talking on. And it wasn't necessarily the information that was about the summit. It was about the energy that both of us had talking about the summit, talking about what was about to happen. Say, yo, who do we want as...what am I talking about...like a special guest? Like somebody jumping on, let's find somebody let's... and giving it more interactive vibe and the energy. And people were like, Oh, I'm going. I don't even know what this is. I'm not really sure. But I'm going. So I think for podcast, I think for any product service that or just branding that no one really has a true understanding about, if you give that energy, somebody is going to believe it and they're going to, like the energy is going to be contagious. Like and so it's going to go over here and there. Like, who would have thought that, you know, Nicky and Moose can get on the charts just based off the energy that we put on it? Like who would think that Shawn's on the charts because of the energy that he puts on it? Like, you know, it's it's things like that, like anything is possible if you put energy towards it. If you don't, if it's not working, you got to look at how, you know how much am I really putting into it? How much am I really believing in it? Because if you don't believe in it how you gonna expect anybody else to believe in it. I'm just... you know?

Mostafa Ghonim: 30:10

That's good. Yeah, that's dope. That's dope. Cuz cuz Shawn, what I was saying was, you know, sometimes, and you've heard this example, a lot of times, like with the new song that comes on the radio first time you hear it, you're like alright it's, whatever. And this that same concept with people in podcasting, or just anyone pushing a business or a new message out, is the consistency part persuades people to start feeling the energy or the vibe or like what exactly that you're doing it's like, this is actually pretty dope, I kind of understand where he's going now and where she's going now. So I do realize it takes a minute and that's what I was saying, for, you know, individuals like yourselves, you kind of have that natural aura where somebody who's a little bit more maybe introverted, a little bit more passive may kind of fall back and like, Oh, no, no, no, they're not liking it. Let me run the other way. When in reality is like, you know, that's part of it. That's part of it.

Shawn Anthony: 31:01

Absolutely.

Nicky Saunders: 31:01

So hold on, hold on. Let's...we're like 30 minutes into this. I got to get to a key key question. Let's talk about the bag. Let's talk about the bag real quick okay? Let's talk about because I understand brands and businesses there be like, Okay, I get it. I may need a podcast, you may have to say one or two more things, but I'm pretty much sold. Like Okay, cool. So many people join throughout COVID It's finally time I get it. Some people are struggling to see how to monetize the podcast how to monetize the video, the audio section of it. And slight side note, this is all done by E-Camm. You see this? You see Shawn right here? You see Shawn, you see Moose? Sorry for those who are just listening. But all my YouTube people you see this social media you see this is done by E-Camm. And they're doing a 14 day trial. All you got to go is nickyandmoose.com/ecamm. E-C-A-M-M. And you get into a free trial. But anyways, back to the question. Ya, mean? Let's talk about bag. All right? Let's talk about it. What are what are some just some of the ways right, that instantly people could kind of like, oh, okay, I can make a bag off this. I can make a bag off that. Like, I don't have to wait for a big network to grab me up and things like that. Like how is it?

Shawn Anthony: 32:36

Not at all! Here's a couple ways. Like if you're you have if you have a if you're a coach, right? And there's somebody that has, you know, a brand a product, I don't care if you're selling t-shirts, I tell people all the time, the quickest way to make money is to run ads back to yourself. Become your own commercial. So I don't care if you're interviewing the who's who, or even if you're doing a solo episode, right at two minute mark, what I do you know myself is I tell people all the time, Hey, if you want to learn more about how to build a podcast, or if you want to, you know grab my free ebook, you send people down the funnel of you. That's one of the first ways to quickly make a bag with podcasting. The second way I would tell you is if you're creating a community, a tribe of some sort, start a Patreon, right? You can start a Patreon page. You can have 50 people on your Patreon that can pay you anywhere between $5, you create the level of membership, you know? I remember when I started a Patreon, I only had, the very beginning of the Patreon, like 30 people in Patreon. But that was an income over $1,000 is coming in easily because they wanted to know more about the episodes, they wanted a behind the scenes. They wanted you know scenes that I didn't even put into the actual podcast. Think about what is extra that you can give, you know, people that's listening. And also too, like you mentioned with the E-Camm, there's affiliate links that you can have, right? What products are you using? Can you put in an affiliate link? Can you talk about a product that's on Amazon and an affiliate link. So I will tell you, especially if you're a coach and you got an E book, if you got a course, fam, the quickest way to get money is to be your own commercial.

Nicky Saunders: 34:09

I had to talk about the bag Moose. I'm sorry. I had to talk about it.

Mostafa Ghonim: 34:12

That was good. That's good. Let's go into this next piece, man because you guys have mentioned it multiple times. Obviously it's a favorite right now: Clubhouse. What's what what's the vibe? Yeah, what's the vibe? Talk to talk about Clubhouse.

Nicky Saunders: 34:26

I'ma let Shawn do it because he has this amazing club going on. He has this amazing event that's about to pop off, everything like that. I'm gonna let you talk about your experience everything like that. Who brought you in? Ya mean? Talk about it!

Shawn Anthony: 34:48

Yeah shout out Nicky. Nicky shot me a text she was like yo check out this app, tell me what you think about it. I ain't even know what it was. I jumped into this Clubhouse app. You know, I was quiet for maybe about two days. And I was trying to figure out okay, what's my play on this thing? And I think I figured out the play. Because I had to think about my time. How much time can I actually give to this thing? Because I can't be up here all these hours. I got kids, I got to run his business. That'd be hard to pull off fam. So my strategy with Clubhouse is creating a community and creating a club, right? So we created Podcast Secrets Revealed where we meet where we meet on Mondays at 10pm Eastern and I didn't know what was about to happen next. Literally. We've probably had that club open for about two months now. We're close to over 20,000 members of this club. There's about 11,000 people who follow me now Clubhouse, but I'm only consistently up there, I might pop in and out. I see the homies up there. But on Mondays at 10pm Eastern but what has attracted is crazy. So you think about the biggest podcasters in the world, whoever you think is the biggest they've been into this room of Podcast Secrets Revealed moderating. We're talking about million dollars worth of game. We're talking about Lewis Howes, Pat Flynn, I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting somebody... Earn Your Leisure, you name it. They've been in this room give away the game, give away the secrets and it's an amazing community full of podcasters that's ready to build their brand.

Nicky Saunders: 36:12

Can we have an honest conversation though? Has you're listening to podcasts, being active on Clubhouse, gone down? Because I know the topic in Clubhouse is Is this going to replace podcasting? Oh my God, we're on this app. This is crazy, right? All that great stuff. They may not have sounded like that. But I feel like that in my head, right? And I don't feel like it's going to replace, but I'm realizing that I need to catch up on my Joe Budden podcast. I need to catch up on Pat Flynn. I need to I need to catch up on almost every singlepodcast that I listen to. I believe I got to catch up to Shawn's podcast. I got to...there's so many that I'm missing. I'm trying and then now I only have like a short attention span. Like I used to have the whole three hour attention span for Joe. I use... it was there. I was there for it. And now I'm like, bing bing bing. Oh, wait, hold on. Let me go. Let me turn this off. And let me go back to Clubhouse. Like, is yours, I'm not gonna say for everybody, I'm I'm gonna be transparent and say yes, mines has gone down. Still listen to this podcast, though. But has yours gone down?

Shawn Anthony: 37:39

The crazy thing is mine has. I think because of curiosity cause I'm excited. But you know what's also crazy. The bag has gotten better. And what I mean by the bag has gotten better is this, and I'm telling you is I'm gonna give away the game on here because I'm gonna put it in. I'ma give y'all the game. A couple ways the bag has gotten better. One as I'm talking people are like diving into my Instagram. And I you got to think about, the community that I'm that I'm creating on Clubhouse is my community. I help people build brands through podcasting. So as I'm talking, I see Stripe payments getting made, I see people buy ebooks, I see people buy classes, but also too for me, when I hop in rooms, I'm so intentional by being in rooms. And because the Podcast Secrets group has, you know, gaining the attention that people hear me say the big names. When I hop in rooms, a lot of people who are getting new to the app who are big names, they're following me. So here's the thing where my strategy has changed is, I've gotten so many people that are about to be on my show, I'm running out of time, and I'm running out of dates, because what's happening is that as people on these stages, their in these million dollar rooms and these big names are in the rooms, what they don't know is there's a button that you can press where you can take people into a private room. So as they're in this room with all these people, man, I'm in so many private rooms talking to the who's who's and people I would have never normally talk to that quick and I'm making some crazy connections, some crazy moves, and they're either on the show or coming to the show. We got something in the works.

Nicky Saunders: 39:11

That's That's crazy. I mean, you gotta move strategically in Clubhouse. Like, if not, you're going to get caught up in just the FOMO vibes and just absorbing way too much content, way too much information that maybe you're not so ready for right? What I do like about clubhouse is that you do like listen, like you're literally in the room. Like we always you got to be in the room. You got to be you know, at the feet of these people. And right now you can be right? Now I'm going to play a little devil's advocate. I think it's going to transform into what we typically see with social media. Once the real big names really get the hang of it, is going to get very cliquey, it's going to get like super salesy at a certain point. Right? But at this moment, at the beta stage, there is still so much opportunity that is there. There is so much people, like so many people still getting on that are high execs, that are, you know, big names, that they, at this moment, have about 1,000 followers. Where if you was to go on Instagram, if you go on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, they got hundreds of 1,000s and millions of followers, you wouldn't even be able to touch them, let alone get into their programs, because that's over $2,000, $3,000, $10,000 where you're going into these rooms, and it's free. Like there was, me and you were in a room with Dame Dash, right? Fire! Fire! Fire room right? There was one where Swizz Beatz was talking about art and Meek Mill was going in about finances all the like, things that we possibly couldn't have before. We didn't have before. Regular smegular people didn't have before, those types of that type of access, right? So now you can. Right now is the prime opportunity to take advantage of it. Right? What Shawn's doing with his club and being consistent every single week, not every single day Right? He makes sure he hosts a room every single week, bringing in people in his lane. So he's always talking about podcasting. Right? That's all he's gonna be talking about. He's not going to be talking about Gorilla Glue girl. He's not going to talk about The Weekend and that performance, right? He's going to be talking about podcasting, and people who's made a dent in that world. And so if you show up consistently talking about what you normally talk about, they're going to deem you as an expert. And his following has grown. His club has grown. You heard the bag has grown. Ya mean? So like, I think Clubhouse is still great at this time. I am interested to see what happens when the big dogs aka Facebook, aka Twitter, LinkedIn will probably grab it too. Like when the big dogs who've been doing it for a minute goes, Yeah, give me that. Give me... You're not gonna give me that? You're not? Okay. You know what? I'll just, I'll just rip it off. I'll just copy you. I could give you a lot of money right now. You don't want to just give it to me? I don't. I don't. How do you think okay, so Shawn, what do you think about when the big dogs come in?

Shawn Anthony: 43:04

The first thing that comes to my mind is I remember what Instagram did to Snapchat. Like, Instagram made me delete my Snapchat. I don't even know what's going on over there. You know what I'm saying? So like, I could just imagine if like an Instagram like did, like created features like clubhouse did. You know because the cool thing about clubhouse though, what we haven't tapped on right now. Like, the cool thing about it is everybody's at an equal playing field. There's no blue badge. There's that there's nobody with like, there's some people that's been there for a while. And after a while they sit in rooms and get the crazy amount of followers. Yeah, we understand that. But right now those people who are used to those millions of followers on Instagram, they're jumping into these rooms at Clubhouse reading other people's bio's and already realized, Oh, hold on, let me respect and give this person a stamp. Let me pull them up. Let me make them a green moderator. You know they they're looking at it like hold on this equal playing field. And we both out on the field and I don't got none of my weapons, none of our tools. This person actually can compete with me. They might not have spent the money on ads. They might not have been in the right rooms I've been in, but looking at what they're doing. Yeah, they're worthy. You know, you would never get that respect on Instagram. So I think that's the key with Clubhouse. I think right now, I don't care who it is like for me even with podcasting. I don't care how big they are. We get into those rooms together. We both start looking around the corner, fam we can do some things together.

Nicky Saunders: 44:31

I got I got I got one. I got one. Okay, all of us, for his 20th episode. Hold on. Let me do one more for the 20th episode. We got to put out what our guest wish list is. Okay? So for all all the people who are listening, watching, right, whoever we say, you just should send it. You should, you know if you know them, DM them, text them, wherever it is. We're gonna go kind of like back and forth. I'm gonna let Moose go first, then Shawn, then me cuz y'all know, I'm a whole animated character over here in the streets. So Moose, what's your wish list? Like, if you could have anybody.

Mostafa Ghonim: 45:20

Yeah, I think the person that immediately comes to mind is, is Jerry Lorenzo from Fear of God. So yeah, I love how Jerry's moving right now. Jerry built his brand...

Nicky Saunders: 45:32

He just put a promo out too. Mmmmmm!

Mostafa Ghonim: 45:34

Yeah, yeah, Jerry's doing his thing, man. And we actually, there's a personal ties from, actually from Queens Nicks. There's somebody a stylist here, who connected with him out in LA, a long time ago. And that's kind of how we got to know about him. And funny enough Shawn, he used to be a big party promoter out in LA too, and then jumped into the fashion space, created the Fear of God, you know that that line. Collaborated with Nike, now he jumped with Adidas. And I don't know too many people who do that, like I know a lot of people who leave Adidas to go to the check. But I've never seen anybody leave Nike to go to Adidas. So I think having somebody like him on the show, that would be dope. That would be dope.

Nicky Saunders: 46:18

Shawn, Shawn, do you got a list? You got one person? I'm here for the list.

Shawn Anthony: 46:22

I got, I got I got a couple of people on the list. Some of them I'm really close to. If I'm not close to them, I'm like one person away from them, which I think would be dope because I think it would happen real soon. Daymond John's one, which I think is an easy play. Daymond John's one. Kevin Hart is one. I just want to see the image is like in person. I want to see if we can match that. LeBron James is one because I think he's bigger than the court.

Nicky Saunders: 46:48

Okay you hear these names! You hear these names!

Mostafa Ghonim: 46:49

Wow! Can I go again? Let me go again! Hold up a second! Can I do a re-do?

Nicky Saunders: 46:56

Moose is like yo I was trying to go low. Like wait! We going high high? What's up?

Mostafa Ghonim: 47:02

I feel like I need a re-do.

Shawn Anthony: 47:02

We gotta go high. You know, and the reason why I say go high is because if you asked me that question back in 2018, I would have told you, I want Ed Mylett... But when I got him like the first six months of doing a podcast, I wasn't even shooting big enough. You know he had the number one podcast in the world. But I said, you know, so I gotta go hard. I gotta go harder. I gotta strategies. Oh, we gonna make stuff happen.

Nicky Saunders: 47:26

Look Moose, you you wanna try to go again? You wanna try? Add the names. Do the names real quick. We'll

Mostafa Ghonim: 47:33

Shoot I might as well add some names. do a re-do. Hold on real quick. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Moose is redoing his list. Just forget...like if I had the Men in Black little thing. Don't worry about whatever you just heard, Shawn's wishlist. Let's go into Moose. Yeah, yes. I'm gonna go again, Jerry. I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say Kanye because I see his episode with Joe.

Nicky Saunders: 48:00

You can't steal mines! You can't steal mines! You know I talk about Kanye almost every episode! You can't steal mines!

Mostafa Ghonim: 48:09

Gotta bring Kanye back. And, and definitely a New York legend, man. I'd like to see somebody like, you know, a Victor Cruz or a Derrick Jeter.

Nicky Saunders: 48:18

Yo he's stealing all of mine! This is crazy! This is crazy!

Shawn Anthony: 48:23

I might be connected to somebody that got the Victor Cruz one for you.

Nicky Saunders: 48:26

Oh, listen, listen. I'm not letting Moose talk no more because he stole all of mine. So I'm just going to listen. Listen, Victor Cruz. Okay. I want Victor Cruz. Moose said it. I'ma just second it. Okay, we're, we're both black and Puerto Rican hello! Um, I'm just saying you should be on the Nicky and Moose show. We need to break down that brand after football. But, you know, that's that's just one. Odell. Hello. Hello. We need to talk about what you're doing right now, on the positive wave. Like your brand went crazy. Okay, your brand went crazy. And there's some things you're doing behind the scenes that's not even being talked about. I just want to know if you could be on Nicki and Moose. Rick Ross, sir. Hello. Okay. We already had a little bit of a connection. You shared it on your stories. I'm just saying, okay, we have a bond. I want to showcase how you are doing your business, your personal brand on a daily basis, how many stories you are doing, and there's no story that isn't being shown without a product. That needs to be recognized, that need to be talked about. I already know that you went to Fat Joe, you said Listen, this is the richest I've ever been when fat Joe said, yo, does that really work? I need to understand this. I need to understand the mailbox money that you make and just off of your mansion. I'm just saying. Rick Ross. Listen, listen. And I'm going to say two more. I'm going to say two more. One of a personal. Kodak Lens. Okay. Lenny S.

Shawn Anthony: 50:23

His daughter was his daughter was on my street team. His daughter was on my street team.

Nicky Saunders: 50:28

Listen! Lenny S. I adore the moves. You made this comment that look, I'm not a I'm not a photographer. They just identified me as that because I used to always have the camera with my friends, but I'm not a photographer. Right? He always destined to be an exec. And he spoke that into existence. He went from the street team, to now an exec at Roc Nation. I'm trying to make the same moves. I'm just saying Lenny S., I need you on Nicky Moose. And I and I'm gonna shoot for the stars, aim for the moon, Mr. Shawn Carter. Hello. Hello.

Shawn Anthony: 51:10

Aww man. Mic drop.

Nicky Saunders: 51:12

Listen, I know you don't come outside too much. I know this. And I understand. But since I'm already bringing on Lenny in future episodes, I'm just saying, you don't even have to be on video. I just need maybe five minutes of you just saying something and I can make a whole episode of it. I will replay that joint over and over and over again. Use the music that you allow us to put on. It will be a whole celebration. We are trying to celebrate our living legends. It needs to be done. Five minutes of your time. I'm not asking for the hour. I'm not asking for 30 minutes. I'm asking for five. That's all. That's just, that's just my wish list.

Shawn Anthony: 52:01

That's powerful. That's a powerful list.

Nicky Saunders: 52:04

Listen, you gotta speak it into existence. Okay, one more question. One more question. And everybody knows my answer, but those who have passed, who would you have wished, right, that you had on your podcast?

Shawn Anthony: 52:22

Man that's an easy one man. It's Mamba man. It's Kobe. It's nobody else. It's nobody else. I woulda came in there so ready. Words can't even describe the amount of money I would have paid just to make it happen to get to the spot. How would I maneuver to get to that spot. I don't care about that fly somewhere that nobody has ever flown before. But Kobe.

Mostafa Ghonim: 52:50

Moose. Yeah, that's a tough one. Honestly, I don't even know if I would have if I have somebody yet.

Nicky Saunders: 52:56

Really?

Mostafa Ghonim: 52:56

Kobe's good. Yeah, Shawn, you stumped me with

Nicky Saunders: 52:59

He stole mine! that.

Mostafa Ghonim: 53:01

Kobe's a legend. But you know what, I will I will say this. Old school, old school but Muhammad Ali. You know, I think like to get a prime time Ali on a modern day type, you know, energy and this time, that would have been dope. Modern day Ali on this podcast would have been fire.

Nicky Saunders: 53:20

Facts. Mine, everybody knows mine. I don't even have to say it. Nipsey. Facts. Even though we're still gonna do a whole episode, that would have been super dope to have. I'ma say one more. I'm gonna say Big Pun. Shout out to Pun. His anniversary just a few days ago. Well, depending on when you hear this. Ya mean? But Pun, like First off, like broke records for the Hispanic community. And just died too soon. But his lyrics nobody can mess with. He was a clown. A family man, I would have just loved to just have just like, a whole conversation with my man cuz he just his looks fun. I feel like we would be we'd be great friends. I'm just saying I don't I don't know. I don't know. Moose. What's your what's your final question? What's your final question?

Mostafa Ghonim: 54:24

Man, Shawn, give me a little bit more about that, you know, I think not so much that how, obviously those your secrets you know in terms of how you approach people, but I imagine people are still a little like, man, you got all these big names, you continuing to shoot even higher. What What's the secret to like the interaction? Is this something that you know, you use previously notable, you know, folks to attract others or what's that, yeah, what's that cycle like now?

Shawn Anthony: 54:53

Man, that's a great question. Dude, I'm a relationship builder. And here's, here's the scary part. Me and my wife was talking about earlier. Here's the scary part about my relationship building, especially during COVID. Now that the relationships gotten crazy, crazy stronger, but I haven't met a lot of people in person yet. So that makes me say, oh snap man fam, it's gonna be crazy. But one of the secrets is this is that of course there's a pitch where I'll use, you know, relatable names has been on my show kind like a domino effect, I kind of maneuver around the room. So if I mentioned 10 of your friends that you personally know, or 10 of your friends who may have been on your show, it's an aha, to do the podcast, right? But for me, the biggest tip I would say is that I take people, whether you're on my show, I take you along the journey with me. And what I mean by that is, if there is a brand deal that I'm going to do in the future, I try to figure out how can I make them a part of it? If there's a conference, I'm gonna do in the future, how can I have them a part of it? And I think that is what makes me so more like, you know, it gets you from an email to on a text. So I would say probably out of all those guests I got on my show, I'm bold enough to say 80% of them, I have their phone number and I can text them. And not only can I can text them, I can text them personal stuff. I can text them contracts. I remember what I had Matthew Knowles on the show, I figured out, okay, how can I continue this relationship? Because I was introduced to him. And the way I was introduced to him, which I would have never got that contact is because I was at...house. So you guys know, he has a lot of celebrities coming through that house. And I remember that these guys were leaving. Like, these guys was like, I see them on ESPN all the time. Like, leaving they just...30 for 30. He was like Shawn, you know them? I was like, nah I don't really know them know them, but I seen them on TV. You need to get to know them. And I remember him saying that to me. I was like what do you mean by that? Because when you get into these rooms and get into these spaces, they open up their catalogue. You know, and you're not asking for their phone number. The'yre like yo hold on get my number. You know like hold on , I don't have to leave yet. I can make I can make my jet wait. I'm like man alright we gone make it wait. But when they introduced me to him, I figured out, okay, how can I keep bringing him along things and that relationship. I've interviewed him three times, I have a lot of different phone calls with him. He saved me from signing bad contract deals. So I would say the relationship is to get people on your show your podcast, but maybe on a text message maybe on a brand deal, those are the strategies I would share with you. And if you're wondering about how to pitch yourself, I got a lot of tools for that in my tool belt so you can check out any other links or you can catch them a free ebooks, you can catch the podcast Secrets Revealed ebook or even my pitch deck, you can definitely have that as well.

Nicky Saunders: 57:39

Listen, listen, we're gonna do a really quick speed round of tangible things cuz I want to reward the people who are watching this all the way at the end. Okay, so I'm gonna do something different, right? So for those people who have been very interested in doing their own podcasts, if it's for them, and everything we're going to give you some of the things that we use. It's going to be real quick. I'm gonna ask one question. They're all going to give their part to it. Right? And that it'll be like three, four things. Y'all ready?

Mostafa Ghonim: 58:13

Let's get it!

Nicky Saunders: 58:15

Okay. Alright. What mic are you using to do the

Shawn Anthony: 58:15

Yeah. podcast currently? Not the beginning. What do you what mic are you using because some people are like, Yo, I want what you're using. Don't tell me anything else. But what you're using. I want to look like Shawn. I want to sound and look like Shawn, Moose and Nicky and all that. I want to do that. So, SM7B same mic Michael Jackson shot Thriller Shawn, what mic are you using? on.

Nicky Saunders: 58:48

Mmm. Moose.

Mostafa Ghonim: 58:50

Yep, same one, same one.

Nicky Saunders: 58:54

I'm using a different one. I'm using the RE20. I call it the Joe Budden mic, ya mean? Okay. Next one. This is going to be a me and Shawn one because Moose don't deal with the tech side. What hosting, podcast hosting are you on? I'm on Buzzsprout. What are you on?

Shawn Anthony: 59:14

Spreaker.

Nicky Saunders: 59:15

Okay, alright. Alright. Listen, y'all better be taking notes. YouTube people you get to rewind, everybody gets rewind, but anyways, okay, camera. What camera are you using to shoot your podcast for the video side of things? Shawn.

Shawn Anthony: 59:34

Canon M50 24 millimeter lens.

Nicky Saunders: 59:36

Hey, Moose.

Mostafa Ghonim: 59:38

Yeah, Canon A6500. We got a custom lens on this one. I think it's a 35.

Nicky Saunders: 59:44

Ooohhh! I'm using Canon M50 with the 50 millimeter. Nifty 50 ya mean? Okay last one. Last one. Alright. Are you...hold on Shawn. Let me just, let me put it towards you right? Let me put it towards you. How often are you posting clips about your podcast?

Shawn Anthony: 1:00:11

Probably three times a week.

Nicky Saunders: 1:00:14

Okay, okay. I'm gonna answer for me and Moose. Almost every single day. Almost every single day. Okay, no, this is this is a really good one. Do you have a separate page for your podcast?

Shawn Anthony: 1:00:32

Just created one cuz I almost got hacked.

Nicky Saunders: 1:00:39

Follow us on Nicky and Moose everywhere. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, you know we everywhere. But, Shawn, I totally appreciate you being on here. I want you to drop the podcast, drop the E book drop where they could find you just drop everything in the world because we appreciate you and we want to give you our platform for you to say whatever you need to say.

Shawn Anthony: 1:01:06

Now first off, shout out to y'all. Congratulations on the 20th episode. You guys have been absolutely killing it. I wish I was. Like fam, I wish I was coming this hard at episode 20 because I wouldn't even know the visual stuff. I was just like, yo, pick up the Skype call fam. Pick up the Skype, you know? So y'all are definitely crushing it. But you can find me anywhere @shawnranthony_ that's my offic al Instagram handle. It's only ne @shawnranthony_. You a so can find our page "Schools Over Now What?" That's the po cast as well. So download "Sch ols Over Now What?" on all plat orms. If you want to learn mo e about podcasting though, if ou want to figure out how to mon tize, how to launch, how to g t the bag but also get o celebrity, I have a new ebo k called Podcast Secrets Revea ed. You can definitely check hat out in any of my links as ell as take any of my master cla ses on how to build a brand ith podcasting. Man I'm excited and I tell people all the time hat just whatever you're doin in life, just dream it, believ it and go out and ge